Hi,

I would rly beg for help with my twf character. I found out I am not able to build a good twf char. Atm i am sitting at lvl 20 (human) with 12 fighter/ 6 ranger / 2 rogue classes, 36 pt build (actually only useful pl is fighter). I have many many equipment on this char, allways used kopeshes, after citw i was running with 2x nightmares.

I would rly appreciate if someone post here how to change this build to be good after U19. Stiľl have 20 lr heart. But i am rly a noob with builds, so I would need complete advice , like which feats, their order, which classes with order and enhancements too.

I am chaotic and i have on this char red and upgraded black leather armor, so i dont want to run with monk split (i got the message its the best option atm, but dont want to trund things again).

Thx a lot for help.

Prdko wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 5:20am:


You should blame your parents.

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1377548720

NOTdarth wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 6:39am:


He clearly said he doesn't want monk levels (which is unfortunate)

As for monkless build:
A simple and easy to pull one, would be 12 rgr/8 ftr. Not the best dps out there, but still 100% off hand, some (limited) self healing, some nice attacks form ranger, all feats for bow and twf without needing high dex, +1 crit range and multiplier from kensei, +8 dmg from kensei and tempest enhancements.
You can probably milk more dps from smth like 12 rgr/6 barb/2 cleric (fvs), that, if you could live with rage and it's implications.

Hmm I thought that beeing centered is the point to get monk lvlvs... running in mountain stance etc.

But rly, to have monk lvls, I would need first to change my aligment and dont want to waste TP for such crap. And I am rly not sure if running not centered is worth changing to monk from rogue.

Will consider limpgimps idea 12 ranger/ 6 fighter and see what I can make of it.

Prdko wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:21am:


8 fighter, because you need 8 levels to acces t5 (crit range and multiplier increase) on kensei (unlike any other PRE afaik).
If you are not planning using it, you might as well go 14 rgr (fom and CSW) and rest artie (+dmg to bastard swords, UMD, trap skills, elemental weapons, CSW infusion etc).
I made a basic build of 12/8 for myself, to use for purple dragon knight, if you need the feat breakdown etc i can post it, although it's pretty simple to figure.

I think even just 6 levels of ranger and all the twf feats coupled with tempest stuff nets you 90% offhand. I know that I have a (currently) 10 rogue/6 ranger/1 monk  and when I get 1 more AP, I'll have 100% offhand from the tempest stuff (10%)+ shintao (10%) + twf feats (80%).


Even running as uncentered with monk levels, you still get the feats and evasion like you would from a rogue splash. You'd be giving up trap skills, a little SA damage and UMD though. It's a tough choice. And because centered in earth stance is so awesome, it's hard not to justify the monk splash and stick centered.

It's possible either 10/6/4 or 13/6/1 Rogue/Ranger/Fighter could be viable, especially if you're wanting to hold onto the black armor. 10 rogue gets you to improved evasion, 13 gives you that and opportunist, which with Grim Precision hits at least 40% fortification bypass. You'd only be at 90% offhand with buying Greater TWF, which is probably made up for with sneak dice.

Probably get shredded quickly if you don't manage aggro.   

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rest wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 5:43pm:


I'd go that route if he's able to drop the fighter level at 20.  No idea what his old leveling order was though.

These earth stance khop fighters are what 12(m)/8? haven't heard of them before. Granted I'm not very hip on the builds.

Arkat wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:53pm:


6ranger for twf feats or for tempest? I kinda wanna do one with a rogue levels. That sweet SA, no?

Thx a lot for help, i just changed aligment to lawfull and went to ranger/fighter/monk build.

Wig wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

Yeah, I don't think I took ANY toughness feats. When I have access to my actual PC, I'll post the list of feats you asked for. Should be in a couple hours or so.

Thanks man.