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Paryan Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 13 Joined: Aug 3^rd, 2013	Epic TR Sep 13^th, 2013 at 3:34pm	Print Post
	https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/425596-Paradigm-Shift-how-we-are-looki... Default Paradigm Shift : how we are looking at Epic Reincarnation I am looking forward to providing everyone with the design details of proposed changes to the Reincarnation system in the coming weeks. Before we start rolling out the fact sheets and dev discussions, I intend to get in front of some of the greater concerns that players (and developers) have raised regarding our prior proposal for Epic Reincarnation. To get to the point: We have really changed direction from what was previously proposed; and I for one am very pleased that the systems team has taken that direction from 'power from pain' to something more palatable, like 'rewarded for efforts.' Epic reincarnation will require level cap and "points" (TBD) in a "Destiny Sphere" (TBD). This will allow a character to reincarnate from Epic cap to level 20, with equivalent heroic XP. Doing so will not alter your earned Epic Destinies or Epic Destiny XP, and you can alternatively take a second step and reincarnate your Heroic levels to 1 and benefit from both a Heroic and Epic Past Life [PL] feat. As you level Epic Destinies you will gain points toward Epic Reincarnation in the active Destiny Sphere (e.g. Arcane, Divine, Martial, Primal). Furthermore, there is plan to grant retroactive progress for those of you working on your Epic Destinies today. Again, this is a departure from the previously shared proposal. The goals we set out to accomplish are still being met with these more generous alterations to the Epic Reincarnation design and I hope to share lots of detail changes in the next week (Soon TM). ~E
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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Epic TR Reply #1 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 3:38pm	Print Post
	https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/425596-Paradigm-Shift-how-we-are-looki... Our current plan for Epic Past Life feats is to tie a few of these feats to each Sphere, instead of tying each Past Life to a specific Epic Destiny. When you Epic Reincarnate you choose which sphere you want a past life from. For instance, if you want a Primal Past Life, you spend points earned while you had any primal Epic Destiny active, and you choose one feat to gain from the list of possible Primal Epic Past Life feats. The details regarding these Epic Past Lives are still being designed. Early thoughts are that these are likely to stack three times, like Heroic Past Lives. If you have amazing ideas for possible Epic Past Lives, now is a good time to try to squeak those ideas into our ears

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Sgtgig Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 172 Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013	Re: Epic TR Reply #2 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 3:47pm	Print Post
	So instead of the death of TRing, we get... uh... Can someone explain that better?


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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Epic TR Reply #3 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	This sounds...remarkably good. Where's the catch?

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GooFY Abbot Raider Offline Just one of those days... Posts: 771 Location: Washington State Joined: Dec 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Epic TR Reply #4 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 3:53pm	Print Post
	What... what is this feeling... is it hope?� I haven't felt this in so long I'm not sure.� I'm not even sure I want to feel it...� Someone help snap me out of this before the real Turbine comes home and beats me again.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Epic TR Reply #5 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 3:53pm	Print Post
	In other words the torches and pitchforks worked?


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Epic TR Reply #6 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 3:56pm	Print Post
	Sounds solid to me so far. Let's see the ED PL Feats you can pick from. It's grinding out 6 million epic XP for each one. They need to be worth it. Even with the accelerated Epic XP, it's still a decent grind.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Epic TR Reply #7 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:00pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 3:53pm: In other words the torches and pitchforks worked? I doubt it. I think they listen more to the calm, reasoned responses than the hate filled, venom spewing, mouth foaming lunatic posts. Invariably, though, the crazies use these as reasons to justify going totally crazy again and burning and pitchforking. Oddly, if it hadn't worked, the crazies would have gotten even madder and gone crazy buring and pitchforking. Interesting how crazies can justify going crazy regardless of the result. Which is why nobody listens to crazy. It's pointless.


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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: Epic TR Reply #8 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:06pm	Print Post
	I really dislike that they'll be allowing 3x ePL's. I am dreading the grind on my triple completionist. The fact that they're not tying past lives to destinies also means they can add more past lives (i.e. more grind) with minimal work on their part. I understand the need to add grind to keep people addicted, but I'm still a bit disappointed. At least it's not a trainwreck though.


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Ire Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 29 Joined: Sep 13^th, 2013	Re: Epic TR Reply #9 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:15pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:00pm: I doubt it.� I think they listen more to the calm, reasoned responses than the hate filled, venom spewing, mouth foaming lunatic posts. Invariably, though, the crazies use these as reasons to justify going totally crazy again and burning and pitchforking.� Oddly, if it hadn't worked, the crazies would have gotten even madder and gone crazy buring and pitchforking.� Interesting how crazies can justify going crazy regardless of the result.� Which is why nobody listens to crazy.� It's pointless.� If you notice, they never seem to respond to low toned reasonable posts. But if a post gets enough drama going, they get around to responding to it (right before they lock it down). If they really wanted to encourage reasonable posting, they would only respond to such.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Epic TR Reply #10 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:27pm	Print Post
	Ire wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:15pm: If you notice, they never seem to respond to low toned reasonable posts. But if a post gets enough drama going, they get around to responding to it (right before they lock it down). If they really wanted to encourage reasonable posting, they would only respond to such. Since we really don't know what they actually respond to, it's all conjecture. My experience has been that squeaking wheels will get oil the first time or two, but if they keep squeaking regardless, they get thrown away. Same is true of customers. A customer who gets irate once in a while when something goes wrong will get service. If they get irate every single time they want something, the vendor lets them move on.


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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Epic TR Reply #11 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:27pm	Print Post
	AtomicMew wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:06pm: I really dislike that they'll be allowing 3x ePL's.� �I am dreading the grind on my triple completionist.� The fact that they're not tying past lives to destinies also means they can add more past lives (i.e. more grind) with minimal work on their part.� I understand the need to add grind to keep people addicted, but I'm still a bit disappointed.� At least it's not a trainwreck though.� There's not even an extra bonus for triple completionist instead of regular completionist. Where does this feeling of needing to grind it on your toon coming from?

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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Epic TR Reply #12 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:46pm	Print Post
	We can TR and stay in epic levels? Yes. This sounds amazing. And they just made it so you have more reason to farm old epics just saying some of that still is powerful at levels 20-24ish so you can use it for a nice chunk of your eTR

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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Epic TR Reply #13 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:50pm	Print Post
	my only question is do we keep our current build or do we auto level a whole new build to 20 then play epic levels? If the second this system is so much win that it is shitting rainbows of win out its ass. ('cause I don't especially wanna have to keep playing the same character 21-28, whereas if I can change the essential build and play 21-28 this will be very interesting....very interesting indeed.)

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AnalFissure Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 178 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2013	Re: Epic TR Reply #14 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:59pm	Print Post
	kierg10 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:50pm: my only question is do we keep our current build or do we auto level a whole new build to 20 then play epic levels? If the second this system is so much win that it is shitting rainbows of win out its ass. ('cause I don't especially wanna have to keep playing the same character 21-28, whereas if I can change the essential build and play 21-28 this will be very interesting....very interesting indeed.) I think a big pitfall is that The Unwashed Masses will create gimped toons that are auto-leveled to 20. Investing so much time into getting to this point and then fucking it up royally has the potential to lose a lot of players.


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Epic TR Reply #15 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 5:20pm	Print Post
	Reserving judgement until the Epic Past Life feats are released.� People seem to be forgetting that all but a few of the heroic past life feats (active or passive) suck donkey balls.� Also, many of the recent epic feat additions are pretty terrible.


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Epic TR Reply #16 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 6:06pm	Print Post
	Ire wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:15pm: If you notice, they never seem to respond to low toned reasonable posts. But if a post gets enough drama going, they get around to responding to it (right before they lock it down). If they really wanted to encourage reasonable posting, they would only respond to such. Nice post Sarlonan.

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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Epic TR Reply #17 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	AnalFissure wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:59pm: I think a big pitfall is that The Unwashed Masses will create gimped toons that are auto-leveled to 20. Investing so much time into getting to this point and then fucking it up royally has the potential to lose a lot of players. LRs ftw!

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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: Epic TR Reply #18 - Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:31pm	Print Post
	aDifferentHandle wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:27pm: There's not even an extra bonus for triple completionist instead of regular completionist. Where does this feeling of needing to grind it on your toon coming from? I didn't grind, I dual boxed with otto boxes for double and triple completionist. Overall, it took less time than the first single completionist. Also, I'm not really complaining about that, my mine worry is that they'll start adding in epic past lives every update just because, which will be a nightmare for epic completionists trying to stay at end game.


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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Epic TR Reply #19 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 1:42am	Print Post
	AtomicMew wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 8:31pm: Also, I'm not really complaining about that, my mine worry is that they'll start adding in epic past lives every update just because, which will be a nightmare for epic completionists trying to stay at end game.� 1. What endgame? 2. As the current plans are, ED PLs are tied to a sphere which makes a minimum of 4 different feats. Ofc, they could always add a choice of different PLs tied to one sphere, but I'd be surprised if there'd be a more-than-minimal version for starters. 3. It sounds like the grind is not going from 20 to 28, but rather collecting the 'points' to be allowed to TR from 28 needs some work. For destinies which are not off-destinies, this fits well to playing endgame. Carpone wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 5:20pm: People seem to be forgetting that all but a few of the heroic past life feats (active or passive) suck donkey balls. Can't agree with that. Most PLs are pretty nice, although their value varies from toon to toon. There are mainstream builds which would benefit from more HAmp, more tactical DCs, more (ranged/sneak attack) damage, more evocation DCs, more spell pen, extra UMD, more HP and SP. It's hard to find a build which will benefit from all equally well, but for most builds, there is at least one of the things listed above where you can answer the question "Would this toon benefit from more of that?" with yes. If that's the definition of sucking donkey balls, then I'd like some more. Doneky Balls, that is. Because mine are empty. I agree that Bard, Cleric and most active PLs are rather meh, and it always stands to weigh the cost of a TR vs. the benefit. With the raised level cap, the value of a Barb PL diminishes, that's true.
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AnalFissure Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 178 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2013	Re: Epic TR Reply #20 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 1:44am	Print Post
	kierg10 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2013 at 4:50pm: my only question is do we keep our current build or do we auto level a whole new build to 20 then play epic levels? If the second this system is so much win that it is shitting rainbows of win out its ass. ('cause I don't especially wanna have to keep playing the same character 21-28, whereas if I can change the essential build and play 21-28 this will be very interesting....very interesting indeed.) Varg wrote: Quote: We currently expect the "return to level 20" part of Epic Reincarnation to essentially mean sacrificing your Epic class level progress (you keep Epic Destiny progress) while retaining your Heroic progress exactly as it is. There are other forms of Reincarnation for affecting Heroic advancement. Quote: Quote Originally Posted by Deathdefy� View Post Is my understanding that you can apply the 'sphere points' earned in one destiny toward any other destiny within the same sphere correct? Yes, it's true that you aren't spending points associated with an Epic Destiny. Though you don't exactly apply earned points towards Epic Destinies per se, as Epic Past Lives are not associated with any destiny, nor are the points you are earning in the Sphere. Quote: So I could gather all past lives just in Draconic (Arcane), Unyielding (Divine), Shadow Dancer (Martial) and Fury (Primal)? Yes, or whatever Epic Destiny you prefer in each sphere.


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Epic TR Reply #21 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:03am	Print Post
	aDifferentHandle wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 1:42am: for most builds, there is at least one of the things listed above where you can answer the question "Would this toon benefit from more of that?" with yes. You have to measure the benefit with the time it requires to gain it.� Is +1 sneak attack damage better than 0 for a melee class?� The answer is obviously yes.� Is it worth grinding out a rogue past life for +1 sneak attack damage?� That answer is much less compelling, especially when trash mobs have 10k HP at level cap.� Any new past life feats need to be designed to scale with level and gear, and reflect current mechanics Take the active fighter past life (Student of the Sword) as an example.� The +4 to hit it provides is rather anemic.� A percentage bonus to hit scales much better.�


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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Epic TR Reply #22 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:35am	Print Post
	uAnalFissure wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 1:44am: Varg wrote: Yes, it's true that you aren't spending points associated with an Epic Destiny. Though you don't exactly apply earned points towards Epic Destinies per se, as Epic Past Lives are not associated with any destiny, nor are the points you are earning in the Sphere. Yes, or whatever Epic Destiny you prefer in each sphere. [/quote] well that sucks donkey tits.

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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Epic TR Reply #23 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 11:10am	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2013 at 10:03am: You have to measure the benefit with the time it requires to gain it.� Is +1 sneak attack damage better than 0 for a melee class?� The answer is obviously yes.� Is it worth grinding out a rogue past life for +1 sneak attack damage?� That answer is much less compelling, especially when trash mobs have 10k HP at level cap.� Any new past life feats need to be designed to scale with level and gear, and reflect current mechanics Take the active fighter past life (Student of the Sword) as an example.� The +4 to hit it provides is rather anemic.� A percentage bonus to hit scales much better.� With that, I can agree.

	That's not opinion, that's science. And science is one cold hearted bitch with a 14 inch strap on.
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a Kitteh DQ Assaulter Offline lolwut? Posts: 458 Location: on the road again... Joined: May 9^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Epic TR Reply #24 - Sep 14^th, 2013 at 4:01pm	Print Post
	told'ja

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