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Sep 30th, 2013 at 4:13pm
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I got into a conversation on the DDO forums and someone pointed out that if you wanted to make DDO a better game then roll up a healer - no one does anymore.

So here I am...I do want to make DDO better. My kid loves it when I hjeal him. And I have my latest project into epic levels so I've got no one playing heroics at the moment.

Here's my goals for the toon:
1) I want something fun from 1 to 20 and beyond. I know there are some great 'late bloomer' builds. I don't want to play one of those for this life. I want to enjoy the journey - not just the destination.
2) I do want to be able to carry a group in heroic elites from 1-20. That shouldn't be a problem on a toon that can self heal but I definitely want to have some valid option(s) for making things dead quickly.
3) I'd like a build that could continue performing well in EE's. I don't need to be able to solo them - just survive in them and heal well. My main goal here is to combat the 'why doesn't everyone just byoh' thing. To that end I'd also be interested in adding utility to groups - either with stunning things, tripping them, cc, whatever...just adding more to a group on all difficulties and all levels than just killing/healing.

I'd like to do this as a TR for a few reasons...gear, slowing my leveling down to give me more time at all levels, progressing some characters, etc. Here's my resources as far as toons go:
1) 3 PL Wizard, 1 PL Sorc. +4 to all tomes. Lots of toys (GS caster kamas for int and cha, lots of cannith stuff, Torc, gs con-opp hp and gs sp wrist item, etc). He's got a blue docent and most of his good armor pieces are docents. This was intended to go triple sorc PL, then triple FvS, then arti final life for maxed out evo DC's on a casting arti before they gutted DC casting.
2) 1 PL Arti, 1 PL FvS, 1 PL Paladin. +3's and +2's in tomes (half and half) Again, lots of toys including GS litII longsword, GS healing amp x 3 longsword, could finish a T2 GS litII longbow. Have a smoke hp cloak (cleansed) and con-opp sp goggles. Have gauntlets of eternity I could upgrade. Have up to level 20 wraps and cloak from Mabar. Have ToD radiant servant set if it matters and could slot something in the ring if it's worth using. This is my crafter and is on the arti life so I've been loathe to TR him and lose the 10 points of crafting but I think I'm past the point it matters now.
3) 1 PL Bard. Tons of docents, ravager ring slotted +2 str, bard ring slotted 20% healing amp, epic bladesmark docent. No con-opp or Torc but does have hp and sp greensteel. Does have a nice collection of Greatswords as well as a Min2 Axe and could unlock a Cloudburst or Gauntlets of Eternity.

That's about it. Just trying to find a fun way to add some healing into the PuG scene on Sarlona, have some fun with my kid, and possibly end up with an EE character that actually heals people in their group. I'm open to any class too - not just clr/fvs - so if someone feels that they have a good EE-capable bard or druid build for healing I'm interested in those as well.
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 30th, 2013 at 4:26pm
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One of my favorite toons has been hjealerjs. But with the EP making you take a bunch of crap just to get stuff you really want to have as a healer....Fuck that

18cleric/2monk unarmed to 16ish then you are screwed. Such a let down that the Cleric trees are void of fruit.

I was thinking of a healer bard...but it was just a thought
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Reply #2 - Sep 30th, 2013 at 4:38pm
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Luxgolg wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 4:26pm:
One of my favorite toons has been hjealerjs. But with the EP making you take a bunch of crap just to get stuff you really want to have as a healer....Fuck that

18cleric/2monk unarmed to 16ish then you are screwed. Such a let down that the Cleric trees are void of fruit.


I took a very short look at the cleric trees when the enh pass first hit as I've got a 16 cleric that was stoned there from 8 with the old 1 per account stones. I figured 'why not' and took a human cleric from 8 to 16. She's complete rubbish, or at least she was before the enh pass, but she's there as well. When I looked at respec'ing her I spent a couple minutes reading and thinking and then just moved on to the next toon. Definitely was underwhelmed with the cleric trees. Sad

In addition, I'd rather level up a healer from 1 with some decent gear already in place though rather than jump on to a first-life toon that will struggle a bit. I want to both heal, let other people take the spotlight, but be able to take over when things get ugly. I've considered ranging but especially on Sarlona everyone is doing it and several are doing it poorly. I don't feel like being another FvS AA that doesn't heal anyone other than himself and brags about how high his saves are. Wink
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 30th, 2013 at 4:42pm
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This wasn't quite the request, but if you have iconics, a melee focused Purple Dragon Knight with a 17/2/1 cleric/pally/fighter split should work well because of the triple benefit from CHA in the PDK sword bonus, pally saves and turns. Basically instant raid healer with good survivability.

Enough strength for power attack with a tome, 14 or 15 starting CON, not much into WIS, everything else into CHA to maximize melee, turn Undead and saves. I suspect sword and board might be the choice due to doublestrike increase, plus stats may just be too dispersed to support the full THF line.
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 30th, 2013 at 5:01pm
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spathic wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 4:42pm:
This wasn't quite the request, but if you have iconics, a melee focused Purple Dragon Knight with a 17/2/1 cleric/pally/fighter split should work well because of the triple benefit from CHA in the PDK sword bonus, pally saves and turns. Basically instant raid healer with good survivability.


That would work well in U20 and I've considered holding off for iconic TR'ing. I really like PDK's that are charisma-based but at the same time I'd like to TR into it. I might give that one a roll though just to see how it plays.
  
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Just saw an interesting build on the other forums...18 FvS/2 Paladin. Did starting strength of 17+ all level-ups, pretty much dumped wisdom, decent con, and had a healthy charisma for the DM's from FvS.

Feats were as follows:
h) Toughness
1) Maximize
3) Completionist
6) Power Attack
9) Cleave
12) Quicken
15) Great Cleave
18) IC: Slash
21) Overwhelming Crit
24) Epic Toughness
27) Epic DR

Seems like this same type of build could work as a forged too which would fit in with the gear from my caster toon (docents) and use a Greatsword to benefit from Warpriest Warforged having Greatswords as a favored weapon. Could work out on my other two toons I listed as well running humans.
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 30th, 2013 at 6:28pm
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17 cleric 2 monk 1 fighter human choose the long sword god.

Whirling steel strike, so you are centred with longswords.

Get master of forms for earth stance tier 3

still get mass heal, heal, bursts, aura, and all the goodies from the warpriest tree.
  

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Reply #7 - Sep 30th, 2013 at 6:45pm
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Darkrok wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 5:51pm:
Just saw an interesting build on the other forums...18 FvS/2 Paladin. Did starting strength of 17+ all level-ups, pretty much dumped wisdom, decent con, and had a healthy charisma for the DM's from FvS.

Feats were as follows:
h) Toughness
1) Maximize
3) Completionist
6) Power Attack
9) Cleave
12) Quicken
15) Great Cleave
18) IC: Slash
21) Overwhelming Crit
24) Epic Toughness
27) Epic DR

Seems like this same type of build could work as a forged too which would fit in with the gear from my caster toon (docents) and use a Greatsword to benefit from Warpriest Warforged having Greatswords as a favored weapon. Could work out on my other two toons I listed as well running humans.


As much fun as the WF'd idea sounded to me at first (especially the added Fort) it seems like it would be way more effective in end-game gear to run with Human. I think I'd toss the human DMark on at level 1 to speed up the early game along with PA. Level 1/2 are so easy to finish anyways that the DMark would do more for completing them than any other feat. Take Cleave at 3, and then either maximize or Great Cleave at 6. I'd either keep the dragonmark for ddoor's or swap out at level 20 for Extend (extended haste is yummy!).
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 30th, 2013 at 8:12pm
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Darkrok wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 6:45pm:
As much fun as the WF'd idea sounded to me at first (especially the added Fort) it seems like it would be way more effective in end-game gear to run with Human. I think I'd toss the human DMark on at level 1 to speed up the early game along with PA. Level 1/2 are so easy to finish anyways that the DMark would do more for completing them than any other feat. Take Cleave at 3, and then either maximize or Great Cleave at 6. I'd either keep the dragonmark for ddoor's or swap out at level 20 for Extend (extended haste is yummy!).


and remember you can get the longswords from the PDK vendor which are super yummy :3
  

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Reply #9 - Sep 30th, 2013 at 11:51pm
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"Fun" and "Healer" in one sentence?

Does not compute, does not compute...wires fried
  

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It'll be a project no question. Finally found a build I liked...18fvs/2mnk can fit in ocrit line, twf line, quicken, icrit: pierce, and master of forms by level 24. Go monk at 2 and 3 both to get evasion early and to make the feats work out with quicken at 1, twf/pa on the monk levels at 2 and 3 and cleave also at 3, then taking the forms and twf feats as soon as they're available. Improved crit: piercing or great cleave at 18, the other at 21, and ocrit at 24. It'll have quite a lot of PRR between warpriest, shintao + master earth stance, and gear, will be able to blur/haste, just a fun toon. Should be able to heal solidly once it gets past the first few levels when wands and scrolls can carry you just fine. Depending on the enhancement layout the damage could be acceptable as well...quite a lot of room for short sword enhancements between drow and warpriest trees.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 1st, 2013 at 8:39am
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Most of the drow enhancements are broken, including the weapon ones. I was trying to make use of them on my current drow rogue life.

They can't even get the spell resistance ones to work correctly. :/
  
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Sindarin wrote on Oct 1st, 2013 at 8:39am:
Most of the drow enhancements are broken, including the weapon ones. I was trying to make use of them on my current drow rogue life.

They can't even get the spell resistance ones to work correctly. :/


The ones for rapier/ss's don't work? I thought it was just the poison. And as for the spell resist...I guess it's nice while leveling but it's more than iffy in value in even EH's. About the only way I can avoid getting danced on my drow rogue is to put on a jeweled cloak. Tongue
  
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monk vs paladin splash, which is better?
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I'd say they're different. Monk's tighter on feats if you decide to focus on the melee portion. Paladin can go THF and just go ocrit line, ignoring THF line and not picking up the advanced monk stances which gives more room for meta's.

I tested the drow weapon enhancements and at least for the starter shortsword it seemed to work fine. It added to the bonus on the inventory screen at the very least.
  
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Darkrok wrote on Oct 1st, 2013 at 9:04am:
The ones for rapier/ss's don't work? I thought it was just the poison. And as for the spell resist...I guess it's nice while leveling but it's more than iffy in value in even EH's. About the only way I can avoid getting danced on my drow rogue is to put on a jeweled cloak. Tongue


The weapon ones didn't seem to work for me.  Read someone else's post at the same time stating they experienced it the same way.  Gave up on it and put my points somewhere else.

Went back not long ago to get the skills ones and the stats to clean up some gear issues.  Those worked fine, but the SR kept not applying.  Ended up swapping gear so I could get out of any of the drow racials.  They're all super disappointing at least on this rogue life.  Might be interesting on a future sorc life.
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 1st, 2013 at 2:41pm
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Interestingly enough my drow rogue is bugged in a different way. I have only core abilities...tier 1, 2, and 4. Somehow the game bugged out and I don't have tier 3's SR, only tier 1 and then tier 2 & 4's +1 int each. I'm loving it as I'm really tight on AP and I'm getting +2 int for a total of 5ap in the drow tree. I never had any problems getting the damage to work though...I just can't afford it at level 20+.
  
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There are some abilities in the drow tree where if you spend points in them, some or all points in the tree will be unspent once you relog. I frequently logged in to find the entire tree reset/unspent in the short time after u19 before I TRed out of drow.
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 1st, 2013 at 3:32pm
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cdr wrote on Oct 1st, 2013 at 2:48pm:
There are some abilities in the drow tree where if you spend points in them, some or all points in the tree will be unspent once you relog. I frequently logged in to find the entire tree reset/unspent in the short time after u19 before I TRed out of drow.



Wrong. This is a new Drow racial feature. You get FREE ENH reset in your racial tree INSTEAD of having to spend plat to make changes.

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cdr wrote on Oct 1st, 2013 at 2:48pm:
There are some abilities in the drow tree where if you spend points in them, some or all points in the tree will be unspent once you relog. I frequently logged in to find the entire tree reset/unspent in the short time after u19 before I TRed out of drow.


Yeah, it was doing that to me for awhile too. That's actually how I ended up with the bugged tree - I misspent my points when I thought I had more than I did and went over by 1 point. Thankfully it bugged in my favor.

We need a Hunger Games-like slogan: "May the bugs be ever in your favor." I think it fits well.
  
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