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Should I even bother?
Nov 4th, 2013 at 9:32pm
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Considering a halfling pure rogue dex based assassin. 1st life, +2 tomes everywhere (yeah I know big deal etc), all the way to 28 (or 30). Is this (even remotely) feasible to be viable in EE's?

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Reply #1 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 9:40pm
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Honestly, It could work, it wouldn't be ideal, but it could work.

If you're willing  to give up the capstone, there's a lot to be gained defensively by splashing though.

  

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Reply #2 - Nov 5th, 2013 at 4:14am
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I suppose with 32 build points on a rogue you'd be spread pretty thin. And I reckon you'd be using Agony and eMG?

Also your DPS would prolly be pretty shitty but guess that wouldn't matter much since you'd be instakilling anyway.
  

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Reply #3 - Nov 5th, 2013 at 4:59am
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It would work.

Start with 20 dex, don't dump Str completely (so you might be able to pick up PA).

The bonus a rogue halfling can get is about +6 Dex (2 race, 2 race enhancements, 2 class enhancements). The str Bonus a human usually gets is about 6 - 9 (1 Class, 3 Action Boost, 5 Primal Scream) - if one chooses not to use Titan's Grip Gloves. It's a choice of constantly slightly lower base damage in favor of better, but bursty base damage.

For 32 pt builds, I could imagine that
11 Str
20 Dex
14 Con
13 Int
8 Wis
8 Cha

should work. IC: Pierce and Sacrificial Daggers, or IC:Slash and EMGs (of course, the ultimate non-Boss beater is Agony).
Assassinate is something which will work on casters other slected mobs when running EHs, even with moderate Int. I have only little experience in utilizing Assassinate in EEs.

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Also your DPS would prolly be pretty shitty but guess that wouldn't matter much since you'd be instakilling anyway.

Nah, it wouldn't be shitty. But you won't be instakilling much in EEs on a non-Int build anyway.
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Reply #4 - Nov 5th, 2013 at 8:38am
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You won't be instakilling shit on dex rogue unless you are Maddmatt anyway.
Don't know why this question even pops out all the time, when every good rogue is int based.
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 5th, 2013 at 9:56am
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Why not go int-based on the same build? There's no compelling reason not to dump strength (the only reasons are carrying capacity and dealing with exhaustion/etc.). Even 32-point you can spend 10 points in dex, 16 points in int, and 6 points in con. Your damage and to-hit will both come from dex which, as you've pointed out, will be quite good on a halfling even if you don't put your level-ups there and you'll be able to assassinate on all difficulties instead of just 'casters on EH'.

Now all that said I'd still spend all my enhancement points while leveling on boosting dex. Since your level-ups and starting points all went into int you won't need those extra points in heroic elites. That's how I leveled up my drow rogue that I took out of mothballs at level 14 some time after U19. I did heroics int-based on starting stats/levels but selling out for dex in the enhancements. Once I got to epic levels I reset my enhancements to sell out for int. It worked outstandingly well.

Don't worry about Power Attack either. For the benefit you get out of running Power Attack instead of Precision on the mobs that don't have Fortification it's not worth the build points. You're a pure halfling assassin...your sneak attack damage is going to be insane! Run Precision.
  
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Re: Should I even bother?
Reply #6 - Nov 5th, 2013 at 9:54pm
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chemist wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 9:32pm:
Considering a halfling pure rogue dex based assassin. 1st life, +2 tomes everywhere (yeah I know big deal etc), all the way to 28 (or 30). Is this (even remotely) feasible to be viable in EE's?

Any answers are welcomed and thanked for.

Also if this sub-forum is only for posting builds please feel free to delete thread.


It should work decent enough.. Wouldnt be able to solo a lot, but your sin dc would be up there in the 60s or so.. which is tasty.. dex to dmg from ninja 2 on finese weps if you have the feat is decent enough to make your base dmg deal upper 60s, which.. is good IMO.. a barb would laugh at you.. but.. thats why they run into traps and insta die while you dance in them unscathed.. The way i look at it.. if you enjoy the build once your done with it.. play it.. you can always tr/lesser it if you want to change it around. Im playing with the mechanic side of things currently on my rogue.. and am having a blast.. its not EE-solo-everthing-because-im-an-elitist-pig.. but i like it.. and thats what matters in the end ^^
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 6th, 2013 at 4:22am
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Vendui wrote on Nov 5th, 2013 at 9:54pm:
dex to dmg from ninja 2 on finese weps if you have the feat is decent enough to make your base dmg deal upper 60s,

Did you even read the post you were quoting?

How do you get Ninja Spy on a pure rogue?
Why would you use anything else than Daggers on an assassin? (Especially when you get Dex to damage and to hit with those.)

OP, if you are looking for a good undead beater for such a dex build, the best option is to get the first 2 Acrobat Cores (you take Haste Boost and Subtlety anyway) and use a Triple Pos Qstaff as Undead beater.
  

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Reply #8 - Nov 6th, 2013 at 8:43am
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I wouldn't bother if you want to play EE. If you're doing EH, I'd still do int based. Dex based is silly for an assassin.
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 6th, 2013 at 2:53pm
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aDifferentHandle wrote on Nov 6th, 2013 at 4:22am:
OP, if you are looking for a good undead beater for such a dex build, the best option is to get the first 2 Acrobat Cores (you take Haste Boost and Subtlety anyway) and use a Triple Pos Qstaff as Undead beater.


Yeah, definitely this. It saves you from needing to make 2 different undead beaters and as mentioned, you'll be taking the first two cores anyway. I really like going up to Kip Up because I loathe being knocked down. If you can't be bothered to make a triple pos the Stout Oak Walking Stick makes a reasonably good beater with the extra damage and the chance to knock enemies down on vorpal. Honestly mine's not even that good on my assassin...I just use some random gen lvl22 solar of quickstrike that I got in a quest once. Smiley
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 7th, 2013 at 8:13am
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Single shard GS have always been cheap as shit.
I don't understand why in every rogue thread someone recommends quarterstaff, it only "saves" you from doing MORE damage and quickly killing a mob you have trouble with.
Make dual triple pos light maces or hammers or whatever you are profficient with.
There are enough idiotic people swinging Balizardes against Truthful One already.
  
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Reply #11 - Nov 7th, 2013 at 5:41pm
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Wipe wrote on Nov 7th, 2013 at 8:13am:
Single shard GS have always been cheap as shit.
I don't understand why in every rogue thread someone recommends quarterstaff, it only "saves" you from doing MORE damage and quickly killing a mob you have trouble with.
Make dual triple pos light maces or hammers or whatever you are profficient with.
There are enough idiotic people swinging Balizardes against Truthful One already.


Fuck those people, swing Nightmares at Truthful One.
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 7th, 2013 at 6:33pm
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You are horrible person.
It's all fun until you have to hjeal 2 or 3 consecutive trainwrecks in a row.
Then you go full retard Epoch on them.
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 8th, 2013 at 5:24am
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Wipe wrote on Nov 7th, 2013 at 8:13am:
Make dual triple pos light maces or hammers or whatever you are profficient with.

The fine print in my advice being "assuming you are on a dex build". You'd rather use two maces with a base Str of ~20 (13 base for PA, 7 from PDK gloves) than a Qstaff with a Dex of ~40?

22 Str TWF offers +6 damage mainhand, +3 damage offhand, which is 8.4 extra damage per swing.
42 Dex TWF offers +24 per swing. Both are excluding PTWF and other doublestrike bonuses.
  

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Reply #14 - Nov 8th, 2013 at 3:06pm
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Yes, weapon effects against undead and sneak attacks from off hand are much higher than any thf bonus.
Does dex bonus get 1.5 multi like str for thf ?
  
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Wipe wrote on Nov 8th, 2013 at 3:06pm:
Does dex bonus get 1.5 multi like str for thf ?


Yes
  
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Reply #16 - Nov 9th, 2013 at 12:44pm
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wow guys, I didn't expect that much interest (and knowledge) on the matter. Very helpful comments although for some I have to study things...
The character is up and running by the way. I trashed completely Str Wis Cha, maxed Int (lvl ups here), got 14 on Con rest on Dex and may gods be with me  Grin!
I enjoy it so far though.
  
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Reply #17 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 4:25am
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I don't consider dumping str to be bright idea: There are too many situations where PA is a better choice than Precision. With tomes, I'd aim for 13 str and take both feats.

Did you take enough dex to qualify for ISA?
  

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Reply #18 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 10:42am
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aDifferentHandle wrote on Nov 10th, 2013 at 4:25am:
I don't consider dumping str to be bright idea: There are too many situations where PA is a better choice than Precision. With tomes, I'd aim for 13 str and take both feats.

Did you take enough dex to qualify for ISA?


Probably I'm just dumb, but I traded +5dmg for the healing dragonmark on this character. Started with 18dex so i will be a +3 or a +2 to +3 tome away from ISA.
  
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Reply #19 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 2:04pm
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chemist wrote on Nov 10th, 2013 at 10:42am:
Probably I'm just dumb

I wouldn't put it this way, but I think that a Progession of Pots, Heal Scrolls and Cocoon are enough healing options and don't require you to spend a feat. And APs are pretty tight even on a pure rogue.

Anyway, you should have enough feats to play with (for instance, my halfling took the rogue PL feat, PA and Precision).
  

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