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Packfan Waterworks Kobold Offline It's personal Posts: 197 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2013	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #50 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 4:27pm	Print Post
	Starkjade wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 3:23pm: Are you using the Power of the Forge boost? Seems pretty sexy for 1AP, or are your AP too tight to get enough in the tree? I think it can be activated at the same time as fighter haste boost, like human versatility boosts. I have it on my Bladeforged Kensei/Monk/Pal and use both boosts at the same time.


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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #51 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 4:39pm	Print Post
	This is harder than it looked. There's a lot of good stuff in Bladeforged tree that you have to pass up due to AP tightness. I'm using at least 54 before I ever touch bladeforged and I want to spend 34+ in there.. PLUS, doing that you can't even TOUCH Ninjaspy for wis OR sneak dice. OUCH. Hmm... APS are a nightmare imo.
	« Last Edit: Nov 18^th, 2013 at 4:40pm by Meat-Head »
	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #52 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 4:55pm	Print Post
	Updated op with my enhancements.

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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #53 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 5:49pm	Print Post
	Dang you and your delicious PRR making this build so delicious.

	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #54 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	Thanks Meat, that screenshot is still as a paladin splash too, it'll get better. Looking at my build though, I've gotta work out how to fit in 2ap for repair amp. Then I'll be happy.

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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #55 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 9:18pm	Print Post
	Meat-Head wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 1:57pm: Why not add in 1.25 on bracers slot 1.2 on a ring, and twist in 1.1 from EA? Also, where's your finger necklace slacker?! Well 20 and 30 weren't that hard to slot, was/is pretty common before u 19 on any melee. Jizz bracers and Finger neck too impractical to use. Now with better gear and higher devo from monky / ranger splash people can afford to use Nether's / Crucible gloves and move 30 to bracers. Kinda moot point though, Recon is just so much better. Hell whole BF tree is amazing, gotta push those sales !Fucking turbine, " more build diversity " my ass.


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totally DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 457 Joined: Sep 2^nd, 2013	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #56 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 7:42am	Print Post
	How are you finding the lack of dodge on this build? You mentioned on page 2 that you can hit dodge cap. How? All I'm seeing is 6% monk and 2% dodge feat. I guess you can slot a 10% item somewhere, but missing out on another 10% seems a bit painful. Or are you expecting to be running in blitz at all times?


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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #57 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 11:34am	Print Post
	totally wrote on Nov 19^th, 2013 at 7:42am: How are you finding the lack of dodge on this build? You mentioned on page 2 that you can hit dodge cap. How? All I'm seeing is 6% monk and 2% dodge feat. I guess you can slot a 10% item somewhere, but missing out on another 10% seems a bit painful. Or are you expecting to be running in blitz at all times? He's in GMOF, so no blitz. 3% dodge comes from ninja tree. 3% from GMOF perfect balance. Possibly 3% from Kensei tree? EDIT: I looked back and here's what I see: 6% monk 2% Ninjaspy 8% Seal of Dunrobar 3% Perfect Balance from GMOF (guess) 3% Dodge __________ 22%
	« Last Edit: Nov 19^th, 2013 at 11:41am by Meat-Head »
	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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totally DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 457 Joined: Sep 2^nd, 2013	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #58 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 11:48am	Print Post
	EDIT to remove calc that meat edited in. I tend not to like taking perfect balance if I can get away with it as prevents taking one of the wisdom passives and petal. But it's an option. I get that. There isn't a lot of give in a build like this, APs, destiny points, feats, everything ends up tight.
	« Last Edit: Nov 19^th, 2013 at 11:51am by totally »

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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #59 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 12:01pm	Print Post
	Seems like you're focused on slotting seeker. I see 17 seeker in your setup. Here's a quick/dirty calc of how much that helps (cause I'm not sure) 40 Strish (15 mod) DMG MOD 8 wraps 15 STR 10 Competance 2 ship 3 monk past lives? (i dunno) 5 Power Attack ____ 43 +2 crap I might have missed for an even: 45 dmg mod. Weapon Mod 3 monk 2.5 wraps .5 reinforced fists 1 Imp MA 1.5 Dance With Flowers .5 Imp Power Attack? ______ 9(d8) = 40.5avg+45 dmg mod =85.5 base avg before crits x4 crit multiplier 85.5 85% of the time = roughly 73 342 avg crit 10% of the time = roughly 34.2 Total base dmg avg =107.21.9 for offhand=203.68 Add in 17 seeker 73 85% of the time 410 on crits 10% of the time for 41 dmg Total base dmg avg =1151.9= 218.5* 17 seeker translates to an overall increase of about 15 dmg per hit--- a 7.3% increase in avg base dmg EDIT: Comparison: Putting in EE Consuming darkness MIGHT take a HB ToD ring slot (maybe not) which is roughly 15.2 dmg per attack (counting off-hand)
	« Last Edit: Nov 19^th, 2013 at 12:06pm by Meat-Head »
	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #60 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 12:13pm	Print Post
	Sneak Dmg On Woodfist 13 Backstabber 7 Ninjaspy 1 Rogue PL? ___ 23*1.9offhand =43.7 per attack avg A fleshie might be able to beat that by 2d6-4d6 per fist per hit via helf rogue dilly and more Ninja APs. (13.3-26.6 overall sneak dmg per attack) Just something to consider.
	« Last Edit: Nov 19^th, 2013 at 12:14pm by Meat-Head »
	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #61 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	Couple of Preliminary Conclusions: Woodfist is NOT the best in the dmg department. NOR is he the best in the DC department-- I'm thinking particularly of EiN and Petals where fewer wis will hurt. BUT The PRR is absolutely delicious AND the ReconSLA is so good, you might not have to break out of combat to heal as often as a fleshie which actually means MORE dps. I'm going to come up with a Helf to compare side by side for my own benefit.

	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #62 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 1:47pm	Print Post
	I'll be the first to admit, I've not min maxed Munk atm. This build has been made cause I used to love w/f and have been waiting for the day to come when they're good enough again. Through play I know my SF and QP hold up perfectly in EE. It's been alot of trial and error, but what I've given up in DC's and dps this life, I've definitely made up for in durability. It's not a build for new players, and it wouldn't be viable without all my pastlives. You seem to be getting rather hung up on my dc's too. Bare in mind, like everyone else, I do swap into water stance and put on my alchemicals etc. before using EIN. I'm at most 2racial wis, 1racial enhancment, 3actionboost, 4 class & 1water stance (3 epic wis feats, lol) wisdom behind someone else, (5-7DC). It's a bit of a hit for EIN, but mines definately still usable. SF / QP wise, I'm on par with a max wisdom build, 2 ahead if you count shaken. Imo my wisdom score is the balance point between gimpy all wisdom and gimpy dump wisdom. Re your gear critique: EE consuming Darkness is for the +5 combat DC's. Only places I can slot that is a ring slot, belt or cloak. Given as you've noticed, there's a huge amount of damage mitigation / healing potential, I'm not giving up the ghostwalking cloak atm, that 15dr/evil is nifty now that I've lost my 10dr/epic I'm still weighing up keeping spare hand and going for a HB tod ring, but I'll lose fear immunity, reinforced fists, 12seeker & 8int. I'm fairly sure the 3% double strike from the spare hand +holy burst ring would put me ahead damage wise, good thing I've got both. Seeker is simply a byproduct on my build since as you notice, I've relied heavily on augment slots for stats. I'll be the first to admit though that I'd love to find a way to slot 6% doublestrike (atm I swap it in my boots after i chew through the shroud sp) Damage wise I've got 3 rogue lives, 3monk lives, 3% double strike from epic lives (soon 6, then 9). A fleshy may do more dps, but what I've gained in twists over them is awesome. No rejuv cucoon, no need for brace for impact. Their damage is a wash imo.

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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #63 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 1:55pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Nov 19^th, 2013 at 1:47pm: I'll be the first to admit, I've not min maxed Munk atm. This build has been made cause I used to love w/f and have been waiting for the day to come when they're good enough again. Through play I know my SF and QP hold up perfectly in EE. It's been alot of trial and error, but what I've given up in DC's and dps this life, I've definitely made up for in durability. It's not a build for new players, and it wouldn't be viable without all my pastlives. You seem to be getting rather hung up on my dc's too. Bare in mind, like everyone else, I do swap into water stance and put on my alchemicals etc. before using EIN. I'm at most 2racial wis, 1racial enhancment, 3actionboost, 4 class & 1water� stance (3 epic wis feats, lol) wisdom behind someone else, (5-7DC). It's a bit of a hit for EIN, but mines definately still usable.� SF / QP wise, I'm on par with a max wisdom build, 2 ahead if you count shaken. Imo my wisdom score is the balance point between gimpy all wisdom and gimpy dump wisdom. Re your gear critique: EE consuming Darkness is for the +5 combat DC's.� Only places I can slot that is a ring slot, belt or cloak. Given as you've noticed, there's a huge amount of damage mitigation / healing potential, I'm not giving up the ghostwalking cloak atm, that 15dr/evil is nifty now that I've lost my 10dr/epic I'm still weighing up keeping spare hand and going for a HB tod ring, but I'll lose fear immunity, reinforced fists, 12seeker & 8int. I'm� fairly sure the 3% double strike from the spare hand +holy burst ring would put me ahead damage wise, good thing I've got both. Seeker is simply a byproduct on my build since as you notice, I've relied heavily on augment slots for stats. I'll be the first to admit though that I'd love to find a way to slot 6% doublestrike (atm I swap it in my boots after i chew through the shroud sp) Damage wise I've got 3 rogue lives, 3monk lives, 3% double strike from epic lives (soon 6, then 9). A fleshy may do more dps, but what I've gained in twists over them is awesome. No rejuv cucoon, no need for brace for impact. Their damage is a wash imo. Good thoughts. What twists are you using btw? I assume Sense Weakness, Tactics, and ________ (Imp power attack?)

	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #64 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 2:24pm	Print Post
	What's your planned PRR setup? I'm missing something. 12 Earth Stance 15 Conflux (but not if using other trinket-- or sunder wraps 10 EK Enh 15 Iron Skin 16 Augment 15 Standing With Stone ____ 73 +10 power of forge + up to 20 for 3 secs as you take slashing dmg

	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #65 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 3:38pm	Print Post
	+6 from Fury twist Damage Reduction?

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #66 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 7:21pm	Print Post
	Meat-Head wrote on Nov 19^th, 2013 at 2:24pm: What's your planned PRR setup? I'm missing something. 12 Earth Stance 15 Conflux (but not if using other trinket-- or sunder wraps 10 EK Enh 15 Iron Skin 16 Augment 15 Standing With Stone ____ 73 +10 power of forge + up to 20 for 3 secs as you take slashing dmg LOL, did Shade teach you addition? Yeah sense weakness and tactics, swapping last twist depending on content: - Extra Action boosts - Improved power attack - Tunnel vision - Acute instincts

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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #67 - Nov 20^th, 2013 at 9:49pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Nov 19^th, 2013 at 7:21pm: LOL, did Shade teach you addition? ... MATH DOESN'T PROVE ANYTHING! NOW HJEAL MEH!

	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #68 - Nov 20^th, 2013 at 10:26pm	Print Post
	omg sorry, I didn't realise. You actually did graduate from the Shade School of Maths with honours.

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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #69 - Nov 20^th, 2013 at 11:08pm	Print Post
	Hjonours?

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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #70 - Nov 21^st, 2013 at 10:18pm	Print Post
	SUMMONE CUM HJEALAUDE

	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #71 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:44pm	Print Post
	Sorry I only just noticed this. totally wrote on Nov 19^th, 2013 at 7:42am: How are you finding the lack of dodge on this build? Meat-Head wrote on Nov 19^th, 2013 at 11:34am: 6% monk 2% Ninjaspy 8% Seal of Dunrobar 3% Perfect Balance from GMOF (guess) 3% Dodge __________ 22% +3 shadarkai lives. Probably not worth it to other people I guess, but this is my namesake. I'm doing them with 2more fvs lives and a sorc life for the additional recon SP.

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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #72 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 8:20pm	Print Post
	Skrimisher's bracers is also a decent option to fit in doublestrike. Then you could just slot STR where you have DEX now, but lose out on fear immunity\+5 seeker.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #73 - Nov 26^th, 2013 at 4:32am	Print Post
	Good call Tachyon, just got em

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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Munkenmo Woodfist Reply #74 - Nov 26^th, 2013 at 6:13am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 4:32am: Good call Tachyon, just got em


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