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Nov 18th, 2013 at 10:27pm
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Currently I am a level 17 Elven 9 monk/6 ranger/2 druid, holding 18. I bought a +3 LR so I can be a 11 monk/6 ranger and take the last 2 of fighter. I know the theory to how monkchers work but I have some questions. My stats/guide has been this thread https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/425261-U19-Monkcher but I am not sure how good he will be.
Should I drop TWF and go staff? Squeeze in a Stunning Fist or GWF? Is Bow Strength still being overriden by Ninja Spy 2?
I have a +2 Dex tome, +4 Wis, +3 Con and Str. Thanks in advance.
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Reply #1 - Nov 18th, 2013 at 11:54pm
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fuck 2 fighter. stick with 2 druid.

drop twf and staff. go completely ranged.

ninja spy is not over riding bow str anymore.

Stats should be this.

get 23 str for overwhelming crit.
get 21dex for epic archery.
get 10con.
Put everything else into wisdom.

You should invest in a higher dex tome.
  

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Reply #2 - Nov 18th, 2013 at 11:56pm
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Also, after clicking your link, It seems fTdOmen has been responding.

That guys a fucking genius with DDO builds, you should listen to him.
  

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Reply #3 - Nov 18th, 2013 at 11:57pm
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also, here's my elf 12monk/6ranger/2druid build.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/311770-Rangenmo-a-monk-without-a-shuri...

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Reply #4 - Nov 19th, 2013 at 12:37am
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Rangenmo is ok, but not all that optimized IMO. General concept is there of course.

12mnk/6rgr is pretty much set in stone, the 2 splash depends on what you want to do. I've been a bunch of different splashes, currently 2 cleric.

2 druid: trash option; beguile for trash, emp heal for cocoon
2 cleric/fvs: dps+heal option; warpriest +2 weapon enh, divine might, emp heal for cocoon, option for Inflame, option for Scroll Mastery
2 fight: dps option; kensai +3 damage, haste boost, feat
1 or 2 arti: utility option; trap skills if you want them, better umd and pot/scroll levels, Scroll Mastery
2 pally: saves option; divine grace for +10 saves, option for divine might through twisting

Maybe more I'm not thinking of too.

I'm more of a fan of human than elf. Besides the extra feat and 23? extra skill points, the human enhs are cheaper and better than the elf enhs. Hardly worth +2 dex with +5 tomes.
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I spend way more time in EE's dealing with trash than I do in boss fights Sad

cdr wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 12:37am:
I'm more of a fan of human than elf. Besides the extra feat and 23? extra skill points, the human enhs are cheaper and better than the elf enhs. Hardly worth +2 dex with +5 tomes.


I like Elf,  it's hard trying to hit 23str, 21dex and pumping wisdom without a boost somewhere. (I'll admit, +5 tomes would help)

Strongly Disagree with you on the enhancements.
I'm not sure you're aware how good the elven core enhancements that boost point blank shot range (which also translates to sneak attack range) actually are.

and ugh, I need to update that thread again, stupid changes.
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Reply #6 - Nov 19th, 2013 at 7:10am
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Is the epic archer thing working? some1 told me thats broken.
I was planning to drop it and dump dex to 19.
  

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Got fixed. Now well worth it.
  
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totally wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 7:32am:
Got fixed. Now well worth it.

Thx....... man your avatar is fucking great  Grin
  

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Reply #9 - Nov 19th, 2013 at 7:41am
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Munkenmo wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 1:27am:
I spend way more time in EE's dealing with trash than I do in boss fights Sad


I like Elf,  it's hard trying to hit 23str, 21dex and pumping wisdom without a boost somewhere. (I'll admit, +5 tomes would help)

Strongly Disagree with you on the enhancements.
I'm not sure you're aware how good the elven core enhancements that boost point blank shot range (which also translates to sneak attack range) actually are.

and ugh, I need to update that thread again, stupid changes.

Doesn't the core just grant you a +2% to your to hit? Also why are people taking the full line of Elemental Arrows? Wouldn't Force give the same benefits for less AP?
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Reply #10 - Nov 19th, 2013 at 7:44am
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Elven Accuracy: You gain +2% to hit with all attacks. Your Point Blank Shot and Ranged Sneak Attack range is increased by 2 meters for each Elven Core Ability you possess from this tree.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Elf_enhancements

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Reply #11 - Nov 19th, 2013 at 7:55am
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Thank you, sorry there was a temporary magnetic occurrence in which my mouse and hands both had the same charge and repelled each other. Working fine now.
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 19th, 2013 at 9:14am
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Munkenmo wrote on Nov 18th, 2013 at 11:56pm:
Also, after clicking your link, It seems fTdOmen has been responding.

That guys a fucking genius with DDO builds, you should listen to him.



lmao.

I like all of the posts regarding what CON you should start at. I started with 12 and probably would've went lower if it wasn't worth it. Still ended up with over 900 HP on a second life gimp.



EDIT: Woah, did not realize that about Contemplation until I looked it up. Thought it was all will saves. Does this mean you skip the Enlightenment twist? Serves me right about disagreeing with your enhancements.


Curious, have you considering dropping Ninja Spy to qualify for Sniper Shot? I find I get a lot of mileage out of it. According to the wiki, the dodge bonus from ninja spy is only giving you 2% as well, so...
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Reply #13 - Nov 19th, 2013 at 9:21am
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cdr wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 12:37am:
Scroll Mastery




Which Druids also get.
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Reply #14 - Nov 19th, 2013 at 9:24am
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Alt wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 7:41am:
why are people taking the full line of Elemental Arrows? Wouldn't Force give the same benefits for less AP?


Improved Elemental Arrows: Your elemental arrow imbues gain On Critical: 1d10-3d10 elemental damage based on critical multiplier and an additional effect.

Corrosive Arrows: Your arrows gain the Improved Destruction ability

Flaming Arrows: Your arrows gain On Critical Hit: Target gains 1 stack of Burning (Target takes 1d6 fire damage every 2 seconds for 6 second. This effect can stack 20 times and loses one stack on expiration.)

Frost Arrows: Your arrows gain On Critical Hit: Target gains 1 stack of Lethargy (You have -1 to all Saving throws. Non-bosses also move and attack 5% slower. This effect stacks up to 5 times.)

Shock Arrows: Your arrows gain On Critical Hit: Vulnerable (Target takes 1% more damage for 3 seconds. This effect stacks up to 20 times and loses one stack on expiration.)
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Reply #15 - Nov 19th, 2013 at 9:26am
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Munkenmo wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 1:27am:
and ugh, I need to update that thread again, stupid changes.


Yeah you do, you still have pre-nerf Deepwood Sniper listed. I'm only taking the first point of Deepwood atm, more points just isn't worth it.

Alt wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 7:41am:
Also why are people taking the full line of Elemental Arrows? Wouldn't Force give the same benefits for less AP?


Force arrows is pretty much worthless; you can get Ghost Touch from Shadowsight or Holy Strike. Improved Elemental Arrows gives you shock arrows that apply Vulnerable, which is the best boss/dps debuff currently in the game. +20% to all incoming damage damage from everyone in the group to anything? Yes please.

Legarthy is also OK on EE trash, especially when you have people using DC-based stuff, though I dunno if it stacks with Beguile. I just run Vulnerable 99% of the time though, unless someone else on the party is keeping it at max stacks then I might switch to Legarthy/Destruction/Burning.
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cdr wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 9:26am:
Yeah you do, you still have pre-nerf Deepwood Sniper listed. I'm only taking the first point of Deepwood atm, more points just isn't worth it.


Force arrows is pretty much worthless; you can get Ghost Touch from Shadowsight or Holy Strike. Improved Elemental Arrows gives you shock arrows that apply Vulnerable, which is the best boss/dps debuff currently in the game. +20% to all incoming damage damage from everyone in the group to anything? Yes please.

Legarthy is also OK on EE trash, especially when you have people using DC-based stuff, though I dunno if it stacks with Beguile. I just run Vulnerable 99% of the time though, unless someone else on the party is keeping it at max stacks then I might switch to Legarthy/Destruction/Burning.


I guess it might be worth it for the boss fights if you're using the 10k-MS-10K to get enough charges. I didn't think it be worth it since the 3 second cool down makes it seems impossible to get more than 2 stacks. Seems I've been thinking too much on leveling and not on end game since I did not catch that.
  
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Reply #17 - Nov 19th, 2013 at 6:18pm
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You'd be surprised how quickly you get a full stack on stuff.
  
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cdr wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 9:26am:
Legarthy is also OK on EE trash, especially when you have people using DC-based stuff, though I dunno if it stacks with Beguile


They Stack.
  

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Reply #19 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 12:25pm
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Munk are you not twisting Enlightenment then? That opens up some options.
  
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More than one ki regen ability isn't necessary. With 80 concentration I can go a long, long time 10KSing without running out of ki.

I currently twist Pin, Dance of Flowers, Cocoon.

Trying to wean myself off Cocoon some, but it's just too convenient compared to scrolls. Maybe if I had a better gaming mouse.
  
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cdr wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 12:29pm:
More than one ki regen ability isn't necessary. With 80 concentration I can go a long, long time 10KSing without running out of ki.

I currently twist Pin, Dance of Flowers, Cocoon.

Trying to wean myself off Cocoon some, but it's just too convenient compared to scrolls. Maybe if I had a better gaming mouse.



I find Pin to be so lackluster compared to Otto's or even Nerve Venom for that matter... What's your reasoning for Pin?
  
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Reply #22 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 12:34pm
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The only way you could possibly find Pin "lackluster" is if you never paid any attention to what it did. Hint: not listed in the tooltip.
  
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cdr wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 12:34pm:
The only way you could possibly find Pin "lackluster" is if you never paid any attention to what it did. Hint: not listed in the tooltip.



Yeah I'm lost. Works on bosses? PM please  Cheesy
  
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Reply #24 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 1:19pm
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you're helpless.
  

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