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Nov 20th, 2013 at 2:48pm
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We’re aware of several topics of discussion relating to Commendations of Valor. As players get more time with Update 20, we’ll be keeping an eye on how Commendations of Valor are working out and will consider possible changes. We have identified two issues that we feel we can address sooner rather than later:

1. Bind-to-Character: Earning Hearts of Wood via multiple Characters
Commendations of Valor are an Epic Ingredient that are Bind-to-Character, because we plan to use them for lots of different reward types. However, this puts extra strain on players who are earning Hearts of wood by playing many different characters, or who may have one character earning Commendations in lower levels while another character is already at the level cap. We’d like to address this to give additional options to these players while still allowing us flexibility for reward items we offer through Commendations in the future.

2. Commendations of Valor and Bag Space
The number of Commendations of Valor received scales heavily across different character levels, which means it’s challenging to simply reduce the amounts of Commendations bestowed, or the costs for Hearts of Wood, without consequence for characters of different level. However, this was not intended to put stress on bag space, so we’d like to address that too.


Introducing: Heart Seeds
We’re adding a new, entirely optional ingredient relating to Commendations of Valor and Hearts of Wood called “Heart Seeds”. This new ingredient adds some complications, but we felt those complications were worth it in order to address the above issues.

Heart Seeds:

Stacks of these precious seeds can be combined to form Iconic or Epic Hearts of Wood.
Purchasable with Commendations of Valor, these seeds are Bound to Account (unlike Commendations of Valor), allowing you to get hearts of wood by pooling resources from multiple characters.
Bound to Account items are tradable to your other characters through the Shared Bank.





Notes:

You can obtain 1 Heart Seed by turning 100 Commendations of Valor.
You can obtain either one Iconic True Heart of Wood or one Epic Heart of Wood by turning in 42 Heart Seeds.
You can still obtain either of those Hearts of Wood by turning in 4200 Commendations of Valor. You can safely ignore Heart Seeds if the above issues don’t affect you.
Heart Seeds are currently only obtainable through the barter interface associated with Commendations of Valor.
Heart Seeds can only be used to purchase Iconic True Hearts of Wood or Epic Hearts of Wood. In particular, they cannot be used to buy the potions that Commendations of Valor can be used for.
You cannot turn Heart Seeds back into Commendations of Valor.



Thanks for your feedback on Commendations of Valor and Hearts of Wood.
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 2:53pm
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Just me, or are they making this waaaaaaay over-complicated.
  
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Reply #2 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 2:57pm
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Real solution to comms problem = letting people put bags in guild chests.
  
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Reply #3 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 2:59pm
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FakeStrake wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 2:53pm:
Just me, or are they making this waaaaaaay over-complicated.


if it were and easy thing to make coms BTA I think the probably would have just done so.  With this spaghetti code it probably wasn't easy so we have what we have.
  
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It's just you.
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:06pm
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FakeStrake wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 2:53pm:
Just me, or are they making this waaaaaaay over-complicated.


Yes. They've already shown anytime they try to do anything complex it blows up in their faces. Why they're adding YET ANOTHER FUCKING INGREDIENT is beyond me.

If they have such a fucking hard-on to force people to run shit content to get CoVs, they should just replace every single ingredient in the game with CoVs. Shroud items? Make them using CoVs. Alchemical? CoVs. Anything that goes in a green bag should just be replaced with CoVs.
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:12pm
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cdr wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 2:57pm:
Real solution to comms problem = letting people put bags in guild chests.

Easy solution,  bring back duping.
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:15pm
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why is this a big deal? people have plenty of bag space, it is 1 more ingredient to the bag and is bta.
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:18pm
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If this solution is what it takes to make it BTA then I'm all for it. Yes, it seems like it would be simpler to make the Comm's BTA but I'm not going to look the gift horse in the mouth and then punch it in the face.
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:27pm
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Yeah.  It's a bit extra, but it's fine.  It solves both problems.

  
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Reply #10 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:30pm
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just wish they would lower the fucking amount of comms already Angry
  
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Reply #11 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:36pm
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Awesome. Another ingredient. Just what we need :/
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:39pm
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Quak wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:30pm:
just wish they would lower the fucking amount of comms already Angry


I think they are being silly by saying this is a problem.  No quest gives less than 10 comms that i've seen.  Divide everything by 10 and make them BTA.  All problems solved.
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:45pm
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Asheras wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:39pm:
I think they are being silly by saying this is a problem.  No quest gives less than 10 comms that i've seen.  Divide everything by 10 and make them BTA.  All problems solved. 

if it was 2500 it would b ok. But 4200 makes me sick. I farmed 4300 now and I am really tired of all of these epic quests, so boring to run them over and over again. If you divide everything by 10, u r facing the same problem. its a massive grind that ruins the fun of the game.
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:48pm
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Grumlee wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
why is this a big deal? people have plenty of bag space, it is 1 more ingredient to the bag and is bta.

We already have too many goddamned ingredients, that's why. And if you don't spend TP to get a bigger bag, one stack of CoVs will overflow out of your bag before you have enough to ETR/ITR.

Besides I already have at least 20 large bags full of shit already. I don't need any more.
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Reply #15 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:49pm
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Quak wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:45pm:
if it was 2500 it would b ok. But 4200 makes me sick. I farmed 4300 now and I am really tired of all of these epic quests, so boring to run them over and over again. If you divide everything by 10, u r facing the same problem. its a massive grind that ruins the fun of the game.


I guess the question is, how many do you get naturally by going from 20 to 28.  For 6.6 million XP you are looking at around what?  100-110 quest runs?  If you are getting around 40 or so comms per quest, on average, then you will get enough to TR at the same time you get to cap.  Give or take. 

Now if you are epic xp stoning for 3+ mill of that XP and then getting to cap and being 2000 comms short, that's a whole nother problem.  Or, the first time out of the gate you were already at cap then that sucks, too. 

My point is that they should set the amount of comms earned over the typical leveling path from 20-28 as the amount needed to E-TR.  If you are getting to cap naturally (not using a stone) and having to grind at cap for a while to E-TR, that's bullshit. 




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Reply #16 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:51pm
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rest wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:48pm:
We already have too many goddamned ingredients, that's why. And if you don't spend TP to get a bigger bag, one stack of CoVs will overflow out of your bag before you have enough to ETR/ITR.


I have green bags coming out my ears. If you don't, perhaps go run The12 favor and get another one. You get a new large and a small every life. This is not an issue.
  
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Reply #17 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 4:11pm
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Grumlee wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:51pm:
I have green bags coming out my ears. If you don't, perhaps go run The12 favor and get another one. You get a new large and a small every life. This is not an issue.


The fact that you have so many bags is the issue.  Too much shit that we need to hold onto, because it has some value.  There was no need for another ingredient, when they could have adjusted costs and drop rate.
  
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Reply #18 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 4:14pm
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its a good way to get the hearts earned by multiple toon. but they are still to expansive
  
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Reply #19 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 4:22pm
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alot of bags is an issue? i give them to multiple toons. 1 more ingrediant is NOT a big deal. if you don't have room for 1 ingrediant, be more fucking epic or go to the mother forum and bitch and complain.
  
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Reply #20 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 4:22pm
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Grumlee wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:51pm:
I have green bags coming out my ears. If you don't, perhaps go run The12 favor and get another one. You get a new large and a small every life. This is not an issue.


rest wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:48pm:
Besides I already have at least 20 large bags full of shit already. I don't need any more.


  
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Reply #21 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 4:32pm
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Asheras wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:49pm:
I guess the question is, how many do you get naturally by going from 20 to 28.  For 6.6 million XP you are looking at around what?  100-110 quest runs?  If you are getting around 40 or so comms per quest, on average, then you will get enough to TR at the same time you get to cap.  Give or take. 

Now if you are epic xp stoning for 3+ mill of that XP and then getting to cap and being 2000 comms short, that's a whole nother problem.  Or, the first time out of the gate you were already at cap then that sucks, too. 

My point is that they should set the amount of comms earned over the typical leveling path from 20-28 as the amount needed to E-TR.  If you are getting to cap naturally (not using a stone) and having to grind at cap for a while to E-TR, that's bullshit. 

I cant answer this because I've farmed the comms at cap. I know from a friend thats almost or is level 25 now and got 1,6k comms. I myself farmed 4200 comms within 1.5 weeks of a daily 12h quest farming.. I sit at capped destinies so i cant tell how much exp i got, i really dunno...
  
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Reply #22 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 4:35pm
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Asheras wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 3:49pm:
I guess the question is, how many do you get naturally by going from 20 to 28.  For 6.6 million XP you are looking at around what?  100-110 quest runs?  If you are getting around 40 or so comms per quest, on average, then you will get enough to TR at the same time you get to cap.  Give or take. 

Now if you are epic xp stoning for 3+ mill of that XP and then getting to cap and being 2000 comms short, that's a whole nother problem.  Or, the first time out of the gate you were already at cap then that sucks, too. 

My point is that they should set the amount of comms earned over the typical leveling path from 20-28 as the amount needed to E-TR.  If you are getting to cap naturally (not using a stone) and having to grind at cap for a while to E-TR, that's bullshit. 





Cetus ran every EE quest during an ETR and came up well short for a heart. Some where on that very organized fan forum in one of the Com of valor threads.

The thing is that you CAN level so much faster in epics that hitting 28 and not even getting enough Comms due to farming the high xp quests is totally different than farming up 20 Tokens.

I'm doing VoN3, Wiz King, OoB, GH saga, Demands, Graves, Blades, Trial, BoB, two or three times a day. easily over a mil xp without Pots. Mix in Chrono, Von 5-6, foT, Citw, ADQ every 3rd day, why not. It takes me 4-5 days playing around 20 hours to get to 28. But the comm rate for that is really low, like buy a heart low.
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Reply #23 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 4:36pm
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cdr wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 2:57pm:
Real solution to comms problem = letting people put bags in guild chests.


Just letting people mail medium green bags would fix even more.  Because everyone has a mailbox, but not everyone has a guild chest and I don't want to get spammed with ship invite requests.
  
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Reply #24 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 4:49pm
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NOTpopejubal wrote on Nov 20th, 2013 at 4:36pm:
I don't want to get spammed with ship invite requests.


Accept the invite request from the toon placing the bag and ignore the subsequent invite request(s) from any other toons.  Once the word gets out, the problem will go away pretty quickly.  Grin
  
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