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Archer/Monkcher...Clueless
Dec 20th, 2013 at 11:31pm
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I havve a bank toon that I want to start playing. He has a Pinion in the bank (raiders Box). I have read alot about the Monkcher, but there is alot of conflicting info (Wis vs Str vs Dex ect.) I think that I want to Range 99% of the time if possible. If that is the case can Ki be built without melee for 10k stars?
Does anyone have a good link to that type of build with feat and enhancement choices, hell even race/stat suggestions. Or is it even possible to do decent DPS with just range?
Appreciate any help.
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 12:00am
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Search this build's section a few pages back, you'll find the info you are looking for.
  

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Reply #2 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 12:07am
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Re monkchers stat requirements:

Only get enough dex for epic combat archery, which is 21.
Only get enough Str to qualify for overwhelming critical, which is 23.

After you've reached those, your primary stat is wisdom, your secondary stat is str, then con.

If you're truely clueless, just use Rangenmo as a build guide. (note could take fvs/rogue/arti/paladin instead of druid)
  

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Reply #3 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 12:32am
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Each point of wis is ~1.25 or more amortized damage on a specced out monkcher. Str is only 0.5 damage.

Pretty much what munk said, except cha over con if you have a divine might splash.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/431649-Monkcher-Challenge?p=5183617&vi...
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Reply #4 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 12:48am
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With rangenmo how much melee do you do? What about ki for 10k?
  
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Reply #5 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 3:05am
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Scruffy Murphy wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 12:48am:
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With rangenmo how much melee do you do? What about ki for 10k?


Ultimate water stance + Contemplation, t3(henshin tree) and maybe "enlightenment" twist.
  

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Reply #6 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 5:05am
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Scruffy Murphy wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 12:48am:
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With rangenmo how much melee do you do? What about ki for 10k?


Almost none. Archery has gotten to the point I don't need to use wraps anymore, I've had to learn to go easy on abundant step, but you'll learn to manage your ki just fine without melee.

Alex DeLarge wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 3:05am:
Ultimate water stance + Contemplation, t3(henshin tree) and maybe "enlightenment" twist.

Huh? I don't blow a feat on grandmaster stances, and I run in earth stance.
Twists are pin, whistler and rejuv cocoon.
  

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Reply #7 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 6:21am
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Munkenmo wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 5:05am:
Huh? I don't blow a feat on grandmaster stances, and I run in earth stance.
Twists are pin, whistler and rejuv cocoon.


Just telling the options available is all
  

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Reply #8 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 2:21pm
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Why power attack and cleave as feat choices or is it simply for leveling?
  
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Reply #9 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 2:31pm
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Whistler, pin, fuck it most the time now.
It's totally ridiculous offense since Enh pass, Grim's and Dance of Flowers 95 % time.
  
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Reply #10 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 2:32pm
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Cleaves and PA needed for OC, and for charging Blitz.
  
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Wipe wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 2:32pm:
Cleaves and PA needed for OC


Yes.

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and for charging Blitz.


No.
  
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Reply #12 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 8:29pm
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cdr wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 6:36pm:
No.

Yes. Lots of stuff blitzable.
It's Christmas time, wanna play faster completion time game ?
  
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Reply #13 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 5:43am
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Wipe wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 8:29pm:
Yes. Lots of stuff blitzable.
It's Christmas time, wanna play faster completion time game ?

It never occurred to me to go blitzing on my archer. Is it a better choice than Shiradi for long-term-dps enhancement (and CC) or FotW for bursty fights?
  

That's not opinion, that's science. And science is one cold hearted bitch with a 14 inch strap on.
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aDifferentHandle wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 5:43am:
It never occurred to me to go blitzing on my archer. Is it a better choice than Shiradi for long-term-dps enhancement (and CC) or FotW for bursty fights?


very very rarely is it better than fotw.
It's often better than shiradi.
  

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aDifferentHandle wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 5:43am:
It never occurred to me to go blitzing on my archer. Is it a better choice than Shiradi for long-term-dps enhancement (and CC) or FotW for bursty fights?

Depends if solo or duo, or if you have cc with you, if you have another fury for boss and can justify faster trash killing for lower boss dps,  or just wanna run hards for fast covs.
Almost everything is blitzable and faster, there is not a clear answer when to use fury or dread, but don't dismiss dread that fast.
I rarely solo new shit cause stupid 300 billion hp bosses, mostly with palemaster friend, but second half of WGU, Breaking the ranks and Lines of supply is still dreadnought.
I really don't like shiradi randomness, so never use it.
Try yourself, charging blitz is faster now it seems, trip, sunder doesn't need stupid pause to get count.



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Reply #16 - Jan 1st, 2014 at 2:25am
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Is a tomeless, 1st life 32-point build monkcher feasible?
  

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Selee wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 2:25am:
Is a tomeless, 1st life 32-point build monkcher feasible?


Yes, give up overwhelming crit or improved combat archery. Use your 1750 favor tome on an epic stat pre req.
  

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Reply #18 - Mar 25th, 2014 at 11:13pm
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A little late, but thanks for all of the advice. Have 3 monk past lives and 3 ranger now. Took a while as this guy is an alt, but fun to play. I stole most of rangenmos build...
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 6:02am
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Hi,

I would like to ask for tips too.

I have a monkcher, its copypasted sestras build:
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/429975-Sestras-Build-Thread?highlight=...

I saw his solo fot video and I dont get it how he is able to do such massive dmg. I have never managed to have critical dmg higher than 2400 dmg, he is doing over 7k. Pls can sou give me some hints how to play monkcher?

My build is exactly like sestra - I miss only 2ranger PL, anf some others which dont matter and I dont have so many Epic PLs. My equipment is in dps point of view exactly the same.

Tyvm for any tips how to play it.
  
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Reply #20 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 7:01am
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Proudexploiter wrote on Mar 28th, 2014 at 6:02am:
Hi,

I would like to ask for tips too.

I have a monkcher, its copypasted sestras build:
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/429975-Sestras-Build-Thread?highlight=....

I saw his solo fot video and I dont get it how he is able to do such massive dmg. I have never managed to have critical dmg higher than 2400 dmg, he is doing over 7k. Pls can sou give me some hints how to play monkcher?

My build is exactly like sestra - I miss only 2ranger PL, anf some others which dont matter and I dont have so many Epic PLs. My equipment is in dps point of view exactly the same.

Tyvm for any tips how to play it.


Dex to Damage is kinda shit, but you get better saves and all.
Here are the steps:
1) Yugo potions, Alchemical Potions, etc
2) Ram's might
3) Tensor scroll
4) Damage boost + Haste boost, if any
5) Adrenaline (or Epic moment)
6) Activate manyshot or 10k stars(but don't fire yet)
7) Hit "Arrows of Slaying" and keep attacking the target.
  

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Reply #21 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 8:47am
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dex to damage is a poor idea, you're a whole critical multiplier behind a str based build.

With just arrows of slaying and a 400% increase from adrenaline, that multiplier is 1k damage before taking into account your own damage.
  

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Reply #22 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 8:50am
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Munkenmo wrote on Mar 28th, 2014 at 8:47am:
dex to damage is a poor idea, you're a whole critical multiplier behind a str based build.

With just arrows of slaying and a 400% increase from adrenaline, that multiplier is 1k damage before taking into account your own damage.


Dex-based builds can still get overwhelming critical. It will require some tomes and, if tomes are limited, some point spread during levelup - but dex-based builds can still get overwhelming crit.
  

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Reply #23 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 10:58am
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Scruffy Murphy wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 11:31pm:
I havve a bank toon that I want to start playing. He has a Pinion in the bank (raiders Box). I have read alot about the Monkcher, but there is alot of conflicting info (Wis vs Str vs Dex ect.) I think that I want to Range 99% of the time if possible. If that is the case can Ki be built without melee for 10k stars?
Does anyone have a good link to that type of build with feat and enhancement choices, hell even race/stat suggestions. Or is it even possible to do decent DPS with just range?
Appreciate any help.


If your just starting out I recommend the 11ranger/6monk/3pally split
11ranger gives you IPS for free, 6 monk gives you 10k stars, and 3 pally gives you really good saves (I'm at 75 universal with half ass gear) and divine might for a whole lotta extra str

And the ki situation isnt a problem, you just need to get the 3rd tier of contemplation which is in the henshin mystic tree, (req is 2 monk lvls) as long as you use water stance while using 10k youll have plenty of ki left all the time.


really if you just try to get the feats that have a prereq of a certain base stat and you meet those stat requiresments youll be alright, specifically 21 dex for combat archery (gives +1[W] per hit)  42wisdom after all buffs for 4 arrows while using 10k, and put the rest into str, con, and some into CHA.
with this build you can just invest 14points into con btw, while at 28 im sitting at 1k hp while in water stance, so you dont need to worry about it to much

Some people also use the 4pally splash variant which gives you the turn undead feat so you can use divine might X times per rest instead of having to twist in bane of undeath, which it isnt entirely useful but I can understand why they do it, to be able to twist in more saves or something.

It might not seem plausable but if you go bladeforged you'll survivability it crazy good, which with monkchers that really be the only thing you need to worry about since manyshot+fury+slayer arrow is going to kill most things
  

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Reply #24 - Mar 28th, 2014 at 11:45am
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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Mar 28th, 2014 at 8:50am:
Dex-based builds can still get overwhelming critical. It will require some tomes and, if tomes are limited, some point spread during levelup - but dex-based builds can still get overwhelming crit.


Correct.

I've made them and they can be excellent. The same way you just get enough str for OC, if you're building to have just enough Dex for CA also, you aren't really behind at all.

And youre Reflex is awesome.

But, unless you're doing so that you can be a Shuriken Thrower During 10K and just take advantage of Manyshot with a bow  like my Monkcher/Thrower, you probably better off just sticking with Strength and bows. Also, then you can be a BF and Recon which is OP and amazing.
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