nightforge spike
swashbuckler 2nd core
improved crit
resonant arms: 6d6 sonic damage on crit, affected by spell power

http://ddowiki.com/page/Swashbuckler_enhancements
http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Nightforge_Spike

shhh. some of us have been quietly waiting to use that spike once throwing was a addressed for a very long time.

atm thoughts are as follows.
12bard/4ranger/4arty

+5dam from precision stance

2 threat
+1 crit multiply

+2 enhance

+3% dub shot

action boost dub shot

deflect arrows

On the Mark: Passive +1/2/3 to attack rolls to confirm critical hits and damage on critical hits (before weapon multipliers)

Wind at my Back: +1 to the Enhancement Bonus of your equipped Throwing Weapons, plus an additional +1 for every five Bard levels.

dont really know if its worth it to lose ninja spy but i already made a build using thrower with rune arm was bad ass when you dont have any insta (nat 20roll) killer shurikens, and it was fun.

harharharhar wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:


yup, I have a halfling barb/ken/bard crit focused build parked at 14th with 6 augmented spikes, waiting..... and waiting..... which may some way toward explaining why I was such a cunt about it to jerry-the-hut in the past. 

I did get excited about the possibilities the swash tree might bring, trying not to get my hopes up.

harharharhar wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:



I suppose this will be valuable to tanks as well then mgm...
the new feats that is.

That's a lot of doubleshot.  Time to say goodbye to 10K Stars.

harharharhar wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:


I've not run math yet as just looking at it, I can see shurikens are still ahead.  A bard using shuriken is going to have 2/3 the proc rate of a ninja shuriken tosser. A bard thrower not using shuriken is going to have 1/3 the proc rate of a Ninja tosser.  Bards would need to be significantly ahead with base damage to make up this difference, but atm, they're not even ahead, they're behind.

It's not the weapon damage that makes throwers powerful, it's the amount of procs you get to dish out. Bard tossers have less damage and less procs.

If the one handed fighting feats apply to throwers, that'll probably include shuriken, meaning they still come out ahead.

The ability to make a CC / buff bot, viable enough throwing build was intriguing, but given the lack of dex or cha for damage there's not enough synergy for my liking (unless I go halfling).

I moved onto trying to work out a Dwarven throwing Axe 13wiz/6bard/1barb or 12wiz/6bard/2arti wraith form tank atm, with the 60dr/epic heavy armor thinking it could be feasible.

(13wiz for acid fog, works on purple names with no save)

Atm having 1/3 - 2/3 the procs of a monk thrower means the dps is so far behind I'm in no way competing with an earth stance shadowfade tosser.

If the one handed feats exclude shuriken, then it'll become interesting. Atm for me, it's not.

crunch wrote on Apr 30^th, 2014 at 6:14am:


Yes, good correction. Updated.

harharharhar wrote on Apr 30^th, 2014 at 11:41am:


All excellent points, only thing holding me back is the doubts I have about Turbine following through on any kind of throwing other then shuriken.... It would be great but still waiting on halfling tree to be un-bugged. 

fingers crossed though.

Munkenmo wrote on Apr 30^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

Halfling?

Munkenmo wrote on Apr 30^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:


defintely needs cha/dex to damage

Distributed wrote on May 1^st, 2014 at 2:31am:


it would be hilarious.

i'm about to do some PDK PL's too on my thrower.

I've done my calcs based on 13-20 aswell.  All the enhancements currently apply after Improved Crit, I don't see why this would be different.

The tier 5 ability Exploit Weakness though does further improve the effective crit range though.