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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Jun 21^st, 2014 at 12:58pm	Print Post
	Hey, so ameliorating strike based barbarian turned to be pretty much fail as "final build for some time", I want something else, possibly to get last pally life + capped toon to play ( maybe for a month, maybe a year ). Anyway, human 15 str,14 dex,16 con,10 int,8 wis ,16 char ( 4 tomes all, 5 char ) PA Cleave Great Cleave twf ( from Ranger ) itwf gtwf IC blunt point blank Manyshot Emp heal Quicken Dodge Mobility ( or maybe imp crit Ranged, without IPS i feel I would get more use from better dodge� + MDB in Tempest maybe ) OC Ptwf Blind speed Mornhs ( Mornh + TF at cap ) in LD mostly. What you think ? Could awesome self healing ( got 2 past lives pally + human+ Kotc ), 36 Doublestrike ( 9 martial+12 belt+5 ptwf+10 Zeal ) and power of Mornhs in LD make up for shitty pally tree ? Maybe even can fit some weak ish stance, don't know yet. Or maybe ideas for fleshy, even thf ? Possibly no ranger ( I have glorious Tempest already ) and don't give a fuck about BF anymore. Gear/ raid gear is no issue, just kinda running out of new ideas.


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Slug Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1061 Joined: Feb 19^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #1 - Jun 21^st, 2014 at 2:13pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 12:58pm: Hey, so ameliorating strike based barbarian turned to be pretty much fail as "final build for some time" This is why I don't use MaddMatt builds.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #2 - Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 3:50am	Print Post
	There is 2 ways to keep 100% off hand strikes and a pally icon. First is your split. The second is 5+ monk in wind stance with Meditation of War. But that requires the toon to be centered with its weapons. You can do without quicken if you have enough displace clickies, and/or Lore item. If you wanted more hp trade Manyshot line for epic toughness line. Blinding Speed can be replaced with Goatskin or Collar. You lose 1 dodge, 1 to saves, and 2% speed. Not sure why turbine didn't make them haste items in the first place. Maybe Force of Personality if your will saves need a boost. 4 dodge from monk 3 from ninja spy 3 from tempest 3 from dodge feat 2 from mobility 10 item. = 25

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #3 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:23pm	Print Post
	Cheers. I really love the Mornhs in LD so no way for centered without 8 fighter, that defeats the purpose of godly self healing. Quicken non negotiable, I play my Tempest every day, it's a must. That's with 21 dodge, 70 saves and ~ 40 mins of Displace. I guess I could ditch the Speed, I wanna kinda have eTorc permanently. We did Shadow after a little break, it was really shitty 90 mins completion, I must drank like 15 card pots on a Ranger. Wanna try Torc viability once again for the heck of it. Manyshot is a must too. Heh I guess not much to change, noone play pallies anymore ( I mean like normal toons, not some stupid tank ).


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #4 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:20pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:23pm: Quicken non negotiable, I play my Tempest every day, it's a must. That's with 21 dodge, 70 saves and ~ 40 mins of Displace. I havent taken quicken on my human melees in many, many lives. I dont need it, at all. I jump back if i have to cocoon anyway. Quicken doesnt help with the small 150 hp buffer. Once you get hit again, the cocoon healing tick stops anyhow. Jumping back is needed with or without quicken.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #5 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 12:55pm	Print Post
	Then you are much better / cautious player than me and good folks I sometimes play with like Bigjunk or Eth ( and Eth is a fucking Korean crazy good, I'll tell you that lol ). I would be dead in EE raids or higher levels quests without it. I play a bit reckless I admit though.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #6 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 1:37pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 12:55pm: Then you are much better / cautious player than me and good folks I sometimes play with like Bigjunk or Eth ( and Eth is a fucking Korean crazy good, I'll tell you that lol ). I would be dead in EE raids or higher levels quests without it. I play a bit reckless I admit though. Im not saying im better. Watched Eths vids he's beast. I just learned I didnt want quicken unless I had a very good spell for it like heal. I dont even take it on my Cetus because SLA cannot be interrupted.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #7 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 5:22pm	Print Post
	Are people finally learning quicken isnt that great when you have a minute amount of skill? About fucking time.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #8 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	I dont know, quicken depends on sources of healing and spells you have. IF its only cocoon fk it skip on it. IF its marks cocoon or some random slas n spells, then its quite nice to have. At least i like BEING in melle while selfhealing and killing stuff, no matter the content. I totaly hate jumping back and forth like a tard. But i am playing a druid melle now that actually does some serious dps compared to cetus-es build, and that can soak up more damage considering im sitting at 80-100ish prr depending on quest. Quicken on a only cocoon build? Waste of feat. Cocoon on a build with multiple heals? Really good


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #9 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 7:01pm	Print Post
	You can try getting Crucible boots for Mobility. Since you only want the 2 dodge and cap. This way you keep Speed feat. And get Mobility benefits. Quicken does get a lot better with CSW and CCW. Torc for your neck slot. With a Con-Op item, and possibly Magical Training to replace Mobility. It's for Echoes of Power, 5% crit, 80 sp.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #10 - Jun 28^th, 2014 at 12:32am	Print Post
	Quicken = wasted feat I don't care what your argument is. I solo healed every raid with a FVS without it, because it is a waste. Build your toon efficiently and you wont have to give a valuable feat on a starved class.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #11 - Jun 28^th, 2014 at 1:45am	Print Post
	Cmon man, timing mass heals and standing back in Dragon or Tod in 2010 is different than meleeing+self healing today. I have those boots rotting in a bank since epic GH, not a bad idea. Magical training is really cheap in AA tree, I might get Stun Blow after all ( it's such a bitch to have stupid Combat Mastery Dun Robar and 10 str somewhere on all the time ) or IC ranged. I have nice 10 str/50 hp belt from Cetus life, there's Battlerager's Belt now though, so boots/belt for 10 str kinda sucks. We really need better augments. I will see maybe in 2 - 3 weeks to cap again.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #12 - Jun 28^th, 2014 at 3:48am	Print Post
	My FVS was melee dps, and I had no problem solo healing that stupid lolth raid and bringing meaningful dps - all without quicken. The two new raids, well you dont even need a healer for them so they speak for themselves. There is no raid in this game you need quicken for, shockingly, not even on EE. If you were a healer and stood in the back healing before epic levels came out, that speaks largely of your lack of skill in the game and explains much on your need for worthless "I only heal" builds. The game has not changed raid wise. You have hardly needed a healer since shroud came out.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #13 - Jun 28^th, 2014 at 2:54pm	Print Post
	I think Alaska has frozen your brainsticles so you only can talk shit now Epoch.


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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #14 - Jun 28^th, 2014 at 3:04pm	Print Post
	melee fvs healer w/o quicken in EE raids??????????????///////////////////////////////////////////////// Ssssssssssssssuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

	Dear players, The D&D rules you were familiar with were too simple to understand, so we're continuing our move away from them to needlessly confusing subsystems that will make your play experience less fun and invalidate old builds and loot. We hope you have fun working out what the fuck MRR, PRR, MP, SP, RP, CL, MCL and all the other bullshit we made up whilst drunk means. Love, People who don't know how to fix their own mistakes cleanly
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #15 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 1:36pm	Print Post
	I think lot of you forget how fucking gimp lolth is when it comes to attacking. Pro tip, you have enough time to cast a cure mass spell. Another pro tip, standing there spamming mass heal is the exact opposite of efficient. Another pro tip, playing like a bitch, makes you a bitch.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #16 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:01pm	Print Post
	Epoch sorry dude. But quicken on� a melle fsoul is not a waste of feat if you solo ee content. IF you are in group and such maybe it is, but not every single person has time or will to group with other people. Try to understand, its a valuable feat for high end ee solo players or shortman players. Maybe it isnt valuable if you enjoy being in a full raid and pike your way to completition but when you are solo, and all aggro is focused on you, you concentration check just wont cut it in ee, you will fail, fail alot, fail miserably, and die, die offten, die fast, die miserably. You can do it with concentration and scrolls alone, but you need to have a considerably high mitigation in build mechanics and saves. I mean not trying to disrespect you or anything, but on� a multi heal option melle in current ee content quicken is good Not a must have, but it is a feat that isnt useless nor bad nor anything. If you can spare feats for it, it will help in surival. Since a failed check when a horns giant hits you for 500 damage could mean death. And in breaking the ranks you fight hella lot of those
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #17 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 5:11am	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:01pm: you need to have a considerably high mitigation in build mechanics and saves. If you solo, you should have this anyways. This, really, should be on any build that is worth using. Lelouch wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:01pm: all aggro is focused on you, you concentration check just wont cut it in ee, you will fail, fail alot, fail miserably, and die, die offten, die fast, die miserably. Blade Barrier. Any divine should be auto specced for this amazing spell. Not doing so and you should go back to a fucking pally. Lelouch wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:01pm: being in a full raid and pike Piking is for bitches, unless it is a stupid ass event like Mabar. Lelouch wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:01pm: it will help in surival. I never said it wouldn't help, I just said it is not a need. Lelouch wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:01pm: Try to understand, its a valuable feat for high end ee solo players or shortman players. Soloing EE quests is different then grouping in raids and quests. Two different ball games. For shortmanning quests, it would depend on how short - 2man, 3man? EE sure I can buy that. 4? Yeah, now you are stretching it. I used to solo farm EE all the time with quicken, or small groups until doing so became entirely pointless - like it is today. This thread though, has no plan or real seeming interest in high end solo play on EE. For the topic of discussion here, it is entirely pointless and a waste of a feat. I used my fvs as an example as to why. When the thread starter wants to start making his build viable for that - we can start talking about different types of builds and needed versatility.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #18 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 5:22am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 5:22pm: Are people finally learning quicken isnt that great when you have a minute amount of skill?About fucking time. Next thing they'll realize that they don't need obnoxiuosly high saves or evasion. Imgine that.


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #19 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 5:50am	Print Post
	Oh if its not focused for ee, then yea dont need quicken, concentration can cut it and you wont get that much damage to need emergency heals anyways. Lay from palie can totaly cut it with some cures since its a 15 split, can get both zeal and cure.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #20 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 12:45pm	Print Post
	NOTdarth wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 5:22am: Next thing they'll realize that they don't need obnoxiuosly high saves or evasion. Imgine that. You can hope, but I won't hold my breath waiting.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: 15pally/3ranger/2monk twf Reply #21 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 5:36am	Print Post
	NOTdarth wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 5:22am: Next thing they'll realize that they don't need obnoxiuosly high saves or evasion. Imgine that. With mrr being added soon to ddo, honestly even this might be turned upside down, and speaking of that, whilest playing a fleshie sorc i never felt any need ever for any kind of saves or evasion /since you know cc n such
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