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Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #325 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:15pm	Print Post
	Quote: Nope. Even though you did you best to try to portray it that way, what a silly transparent cunt you are. What a panicked bitch you are, "Turbine! save me, save me, from the emerging SWF!" I am transparent, I provided DPS metrics along with my arguments. Almost all of my recordings have been shared Now, if you can just sodder a dumbbell to your stupid face and take a nose dive in the nearest lake the world will thank you kindly.


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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #326 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:16pm	Print Post
	2.2% relative difference...


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Ugg the Unwise Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 365 Joined: Apr 14^th, 2014	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #327 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:20pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 6:55pm: Pre Mod 9 when you could twitch fight with glancing blows was fucking stupid.� Well yes.. Standing still is no better and the line is equally worthless in ee. Twitching however also required you to stand still.. more or less at least iirc. It would be far better to just flat out increase the damage and remove glancing blows entirely and then set a timer for animation reset or something like that.. Or add some special effect like sundering.. Anything but this rooted mechanic.


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Ugg the Unwise Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 365 Joined: Apr 14^th, 2014	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #328 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:22pm	Print Post
	FM wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:09pm: The devs have expressed a desire to allow for glancing blows and shield bashes while moving. Hopefully the change will be easy enough to implement that it will occur in the not too distant future. Yeah I saw that.. Although that will benefit swf even more than thf so the forum rage will just increase.


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Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #329 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:24pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:16pm: 2.2% relative difference... In a quest that has a significant amount of time fighting massive hordes of mobs at the same time... THF doesn't seem to really be that much better, if at all, than SWF as far as AoE damage is concerned.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #330 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:27pm	Print Post
	Quote: In a quest that has a significant amount of time fighting massive hordes of mobs at the same time... THF doesn't seem to really be that much better, if at all, than SWF as far as AoE damage is concerned. You have a 15% higher chance to proc Mortal Fear.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #331 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:35pm	Print Post
	2.2%� Means your bitching that THF is too weak is on faulty ground.� Because that's a pittance of a difference.� Also you were using a bastardsword.... 20% base damage on 2 of 6 attacks in animation� 6.7% extra damage You may recognize that as greater than the 2.2% that this swf weapon beat your THF weapon in damage....What does that suggest about how much damage it actually did in comparison?� Could it be that SWF without glancing blows did less damage in your video of fighting so many groups of mobs? Madness.� Of course that assumes you are standing still equal amounts of times, and millions of other factors that you don't and cannot control to make your shit even remotely scientific.
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Ugg the Unwise Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 365 Joined: Apr 14^th, 2014	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #332 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:38pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:35pm: 2.2%� Means your bitching that THF is too weak is on faulty ground.� Because that's a pittance of a difference.� Also you were using a bastardsword.... 20% base damage on 2 of 6 attacks in animation� 6.7% extra damage You may recognize that as greater than the 2.2% that this swf weapon beat your THF weapon in damage....What does that suggest about how much damage it actually did in comparison?� Could it be that SWF without glancing blows did less damage in your video of fighting so many groups of mobs? Madness.� Of course that assumes you are standing still equal amounts of times, and millions of other factors that you don't and cannot control to make your shit even remotely scientific. Aren't the airships in e3bc rednamed? if so they would make a perfect target for dps testing.. I even believe one of them don't fight back till the patch.


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Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #333 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:40pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:27pm: You have a 15% higher chance to proc Mortal Fear. Hey look, retard math! My chance to proc mortal fear is 5% per swing regardless of whether I'm THF or SWF. So, lets say that I make 100 swings with my THF, 5 of them should proc mortal fear, since its a 5% proc rate. Still with me? Ok, with SWF, I attack 30% faster - so in that same amount of time I should land 130 swings, which should proc mortal fear about 6.5 times (since 5% of 130 = 6.5) So, as opposed to 5 procs, I make 6.5 procs, which is a.... you guessed it! 30% higher proc rate... Where the hell did you get 15%...just take 5% of 30 and you get a difference of 1.5 extra procs, on average. In other words, yes - SWF is better.
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barcelot Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #334 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:44pm	Print Post
	Quote: In a quest that has a significant amount of time fighting massive hordes of mobs at the same time... THF doesn't seem to really be that much better, if at all, than SWF as far as AoE damage is concerned. How interesting because earlier you said this: Quote: I am transparent, I provided DPS metrics along with my arguments. So exactly what kind of Metric is "doesn't seem to really be that much better"? I am really curious, in your fantasy world, do you as a supposedly trained scientist use "doesn't seem" and "really be" often?� is it empirical?� or data based?� and how about that fantastic quantitative conclusion : "much better?" Wow that seems really cutting edge..... you fucking liar. Here is a tip, when your going to throw around your bullshit made up qualifications (peer reviewed my ass), and trot out the buzz words like metrics, and data... stick to that script, because when you drift away from it like all liars do and make comments like your latest post, it shows just how full of shit you are. Now fucking get out of here you fake, go make a SWF, or just cry to your ball-suckers on the motherboards, whatever just get out, because you have been exposed again and again as a pathetic liar who is just trying to keep his toy the shiniest no matter how much bullshit you have to make up to do it.� Bye bye Mr. scientist, when your gone it might really seem much better here without your stench.
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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #335 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:45pm	Print Post
	I don't know what would be best...but no one is claiming THF is better at single target dps.� So those of use with intelligence recognize it is very hard to actually test it with controlled parameters. The issue is someone who refuses to understand this, and then when they do post data cannot seem to grasp that the differences are not large enough to exist outside a standard error...Standard error that cannot be calculated do to lack of data under controlled circumstances. You seem to recognize this, which is good.�


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Houshi Dragon Raider Offline Click here to unnerf grease Posts: 209 Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2014	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #336 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:45pm	Print Post
	Ask 3 friends to stand still while you dps them in the pit? Assuming you have 3 friends, ofc


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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #337 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:46pm	Print Post
	Quote: Hey look, retard math! My chance to proc mortal fear is 5% per swing regardless of whether I'm THF or SWF. So, lets say that I make 100 swings with my THF, 5 of them should proc mortal fear, since its a 5% proc rate. Still with me? Ok, with SWF, I attack 30% faster - so in that same amount of time I should land 130 swings, which should proc mortal fear about 6.5 times (since 5% of 130 = 6.5) So, as opposed to 5 procs, I make 6.5 procs, which is a.... you guessed it! 30% higher proc rate... Where the hell did you get 15%...just take 5% of 30 and you get a difference of 1.5 extra procs, on average. In other words, yes - SWF is better. OMG 30% better and it still was only 2.2% difference with the best possible weapon for SWF to try and show it was better in any way!


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #338 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:49pm	Print Post
	Quote: Where the hell did you get 15% THF line grants a 9% chance for weapon effects to trigger on glancing blows. Bladeforged has 6% in the tree. PTHF anoher 10%. Glancing blows proc on single targets as well
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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barcelot Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #339 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:50pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:45pm: The issue is someone who refuses to understand this, Oh he totally understands it shade, he just doesn't want to admit it for fear he won't get more buffs for his babies. Sorry to have hopped in, had to be said.


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Cetus Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #340 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:00pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:35pm: 2.2%� Means your bitching that THF is too weak is on faulty ground.� Because that's a pittance of a difference.� Also you were using a bastardsword.... Faulty ground? I crushed a mass-mob heavy quest with a single weapon faster than with a two hander. The actual DPS calculation would be faulty - which is why I didn't even attempt one. But the fact that I can take out a mass group of mobs just as fast is evidenced by the video. Let's go Forrest, keep up with me here. Shadehater wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:35pm: 20% base damage on 2 of 6 attacks in animation� 6.7% extra damage[/quite] Yes, .4x/6x = 6.7% - BUT - you're excluding PTHF, which = 30% glance damage. So, its .6x/6 = 10% first of all. Now, this information is only useful if you compare it to the THF glancing blow damage - and when you do this, you need to factor in the 50% extra stat benefit that the single weapon is receiving versus THF, off of which the 30% (swf) and 60% (GTHF) damage is dealt. [quote author=537865737B6771777F7E100 link=1404501982/331#331 date=1405121727]You may recognize that as greater than the 2.2% that this swf weapon beat your THF weapon in damage....What does that suggest about how much damage it actually did in comparison?� Could it be that SWF without glancing blows did less damage in your video of fighting so many groups of mobs? How the hell are you going solely off of the 6.7% (erroneously calculated, as I've shown) dps boost that glancing blows gives SWF, and comapring it to the overall time difference? You do realize that the 50% extra stat benefit plays a role when cleaving, extra attack speed, etc... Madness.� Shadehater wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:35pm: Of course that assumes you are standing still equal amounts of times, and millions of other factors that you don't and cannot control to make your shit even remotely scientific. Its a measument, and every measurement is only as good as the tool you are using. My error bars are quite significant, no doubt. But making a measurement with error bars doesn't mean it is unscientific.


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Takllin Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 65 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #341 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:10pm	Print Post
	FM wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:09pm: Yup, and I'll gladly do it here where I can speak frankly and not derail the other thread any more than it has been. I'm going to assume you were trolling when you posted a DC number that included using a tier 4 twist to add 1 DC, buying an alignment change and 2 LRs to make a lvl 20 Bladeforged Bard, and grabbing 3 Fighter past lives. With this sort of biased building, I can only assume that Completionist was factored into the Charisma modifier. Whether it was or not, it doesn't change the fact that you posted an absurd DC. Now, I wont let the bias in the DC post overshadow the fact that Bards that build for it would be able to achieve a no fail Spinning Ice and Frozen Fury. I don't think there is anything wrong with this, however. Casters are still supreme and ranged combat is still very strong. Melees need tactics to help make up for the fact that they have to be directly in the line of fire. Tactics are the great equalizer. I expect Bardic tactical abilities to be the first step in this re-balancing. Fighting against one melee tree getting good tactical abilities is petty and works against the balancing of combat styles that is so needed in the game right now. I fully expect Fighters to get a much deserved boost to their tactics relatively soon, and hope that other melee classes get their tactics boosted as well. The devs have expressed a desire to allow for glancing blows and shield bashes while moving. Hopefully the change will be easy enough to implement that it will occur in the not too distant future. Then why even post in that thread int he first place fucking idiot... Nope I wasn't trolling, name another ability that you can get in the 90s for a DC that is a tactic or spell? Considering the amount of min/max that people use now, it wasn't an absurd DC. Fine, taking away 5 from being Bladeforged. It is still a 90 DC. 1 from the twist, 3 from the Fighter PL, and 1 from Completionist, you are at an 85...

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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #342 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:15pm	Print Post
	Quote: Faulty ground? I crushed a mass-mob heavy quest with a single weapon faster than with a two hander.� The actual DPS calculation would be faulty - which is why I didn't even attempt one. But the fact that I can take out a mass group of mobs just as fast is evidenced by the video. Let's go Forrest, keep up with me here. Sorry Axer-2 your video isn't evidence., and as you seem to always ignore the facts against you to attack at the body. Good work on that. Im sure you are fooling the two guys sucking each one of your balls. Quote: How the hell are you going solely off of the 6.7% (erroneously calculated, as I've shown) dps boost that glancing blows gives SWF, and comapring it to the overall time difference? You do realize that the 50% extra stat benefit plays a role when cleaving, extra attack speed, etc... You have not shown anything. Also if that number is higher...and it is because I was simplifying it for those that do not like math...much like yourself. Then that 2.2% is even less significant as the difference of the SWF and it being a Bastard sword would mean it was doing EVEN LESS overall damage, i.e. that % is greater than your time differential of 2.2%. Or can you not figure that out? Quote: Madness.� Maths are hard. Quote: Its a measument, and every measurement is only as good as the tool you are using. My error bars are quite significant, no doubt. But making a measurement with error bars doesn't mean it is unscientific. No it doesn't, but claiming that your videos are scientific, or facts, or proof or data without the necessary controls or ways to collect additonal actual points is laughable. I dont know why I keep trying to have a conversation with you and explain this. You seem dead set on your narrow vision. So please do continue. I'd hate to see you slink away or heaven forbid chone. I will just await the day you finally lose your shit on the live boards and 'quit the game' On that day I will change my vault name in your honor Cletus vanShadesson, Lord Scientist, and official cameraman of DDO.


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barcelot Ex Member	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #343 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:29pm	Print Post
	Quote: Its a measument, and every measurement is only as good as the tool you are using. My error bars are quite significant, no doubt. But making a measurement with error bars doesn't mean it is unscientific. Yeah, of course, it's totally a measurement, and your use of the words tool, error bars, significant were really wondrous. Now tell us, does it just "seem" significant? and is significant "much better"? different? and are all your super scientific youtube vidos "tools"? because if they are "tools" then I saw a great "tool" where star war ships were in Germany! wow, tools! and I saw a "tool" with a sleepy kitten too! wow, your "tools" rock. Don't you want to use more words like "if at all"? and thrown in a couple of utterances of "metrics" and tell us about the paper you wrote about it just today? Fucking liar.
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Dickbutt Titan Demolisher Offline Richard Butkus Posts: 386 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2011	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #344 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:53pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:49pm: THF line grants a 9% chance for weapon effects to trigger on glancing blows. Bladeforged has 6% in the tree. PTHF anoher 10%. Glancing blows proc on single targets as well PTHF applies to swf with an appropriate weapon, does it not? The 15% also assumes that you don't have glancing blow proc chance from anywhere else, and that you get a glancing blow on every swing. Should be closer to 13%, assuming no other THF-exclusive proc chance increases. @Cetus this refers to the chance for a glancing blow to apply additional weapon effects, as stated in the feats. It's not an increase from 5% to 15%, but an increase of the 5% base value by 15% (roughly 5.75%).


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #345 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:54pm	Print Post
	I think your times on the WGU runs gives a better look than single active mob beat down. I expected a minute or so faster on your swf time because of the pillars being still during dpsing. . Nerfing dwarf axe and bastard sword to not glance would do it for you. And you would be happy because you will never even use one of those now anyway. Outside of your demo vids. Possibly the most likely outcome. A significant buff in Glancing Blow damage, Glancing Blow proc, or stat bonus damage percentages for each THF feat would only make you cry about Quarterstaff next.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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AnalFissure Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 178 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2013	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #346 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:21pm	Print Post
	Quote: Hey look, retard math! My chance to proc mortal fear is 5% per swing regardless of whether I'm THF or SWF. So, lets say that I make 100 swings with my THF, 5 of them should proc mortal fear, since its a 5% proc rate. Still with me? Ok, with SWF, I attack 30% faster - so in that same amount of time I should land 130 swings, which should proc mortal fear about 6.5 times (since 5% of 130 = 6.5) So, as opposed to 5 procs, I make 6.5 procs, which is a.... you guessed it! 30% higher proc rate... Where the hell did you get 15%...just take 5% of 30 and you get a difference of 1.5 extra procs, on average. In other words, yes - SWF is better. Quote: Faulty ground? I crushed a mass-mob heavy quest with a single weapon faster than with a two hander.� The actual DPS calculation would be faulty - which is why I didn't even attempt one. But the fact that I can take out a mass group of mobs just as fast is evidenced by the video. Let's go Forrest, keep up with me here. So what you really really want is Turbine to nerf Mortal Fear. Attacking 30% faster should average out to 30% more procs of Mortal Fear, which halves trash's HP. Ignoring that the sample size is 2 quests, and there's RNG in play in the amount of HP mobs spawn with, you took on Sample Group 2 with 15% less hp (30% procs * .5 HP), 2.2% faster and claim that THF is Less DPS. You really are fucking retarded.
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FM Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 263 Joined: Mar 25^th, 2014	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #347 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:32pm	Print Post
	Takllin wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:10pm: Then why even post in that thread int he first place fucking idiot... I was pointing out that the thread had derailed and was hoping to get it back on track. I said it in a tongue-in-cheek way and it confused you, you poor thing. Takllin wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:10pm: Nope I wasn't trolling, name another ability that you can get in the 90s for a DC that is a tactic or spell? Considering the amount of min/max that people use now, it wasn't an absurd DC. Fine, taking away 5 from being Bladeforged. It is still a 90+ DC. 1 from the twist, 3 from the Fighter PL, and 1 from Completionist, you are at an 85... Bards that focus on it will be able to make it a no fail. After that, it really doesn't matter whether the DC is 80 or 100. Also, please understand that I was never taking issue with the whether or not the tactical abilities would work. They will work. I took issue with your calculations. They were biased to prove a point. Do better next time. I'm going to tell you flat out; you're too stupid to debate. No, this isn't empty Vault talk, I genuinely believe you are unintelligent. As much as I would love to continue beating you like a human pinata, there is no reward in it because you're too braindead to realize that candy is pouring out of your ass. Read this post more carefully than the last one and don't come back with another post about the DCs, because you are responding to imagined arguments rather than the ones that are in my posts. Shadehater wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 6:55pm: Pre Mod 9 when you could twitch fight with glancing blows was fucking stupid.� That's a good point. Rubbinns wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:19pm: Bladeforged pure bard or barbarian is lol. It needs to take 14 non-alignment restricted class levels. like, fighter. Then lr 1 the pally level out. Then align change to get to non lawful. then eat a +5 LR heart. Three times. Turbine is praying to god that you do this. I stand corrected. It would take 4 LRs rather than 2 for a lvl 20 Bard Bladeforged to work. The idea is even more absurd than I first thought.
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AnalFissure Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 178 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2013	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #348 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:56pm	Print Post
	FM wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:09pm: 14 Base + 20 Bard + 28 CHA Mod + 10 Ring + 6 Combat Mastery + 6 LD Tactics + 3 Bladeforged + 2 Tactician + 1 Echoes Twist + 3 Fighter PL + 2 Fearsome Bladeforged = 95 DC for the Spinning Ice and Frozen Fury +28 Charisma mod? What Warchanter builds for 66 Charisma? without going PDK? ... but there goes your bladeforged... These numbers are pure fucking fantasy.


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Cetus Needs To Stop Wetting His Diapers Reply #349 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:02pm	Print Post
	Quote: sodder Solder. I think a lot of people get this word wrong. Pretty stupid of English to throw an "l" in there in the first place. WTF, whoever designed English? Ugg the Unwise wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:38pm: Aren't the airships in e3bc rednamed? if so they would make a perfect target for dps testing.. I even believe one of them don't fight back till the patch. Just jump on. At least 2 spawn in spots that even a non-winged melee can reach.

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