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ZP Waterworks Kobold Offline Zippy! Posts: 114 Joined: Apr 21^st, 2014	Why grind? Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	It takes a long time to get through the game. 20 runs of shroud for that yellow dopant? All those quests to flag for CiTw. The number of times you have to run Von to get the scrolls, shards, and seals that you need. The number of runs through crystal cove. All the wilderness areas to run through. The guild levels to gain. And on and on. Why grind? Why do I play this game? Why do I keep grinding? For better gear? For upgrading gear? For a little more attack damage? Why? On another note, can someone please teach me how to properly build an epic capable character? My characters feel so gimp to me. (I'll say it before someone else says it here. No amount of ingredients, collectibles, augments, or gear can make me less gimp. It's about game knowledge. Yes, how to properly build a character. How to use the abilities, actives, and how to use the features.)


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Factor Ex Member	Re: Why grind? Reply #1 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:15pm	Print Post
	You sound a bit burned out, maybe to a break for a week, and come back.


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Ohfaq Titan Demolisher Offline Nubz morghulis Posts: 335 Joined: Apr 28^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Why grind? Reply #2 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:43pm	Print Post
	i would suggest watching some of the official turdbine videos they post every week. cordovan has some nice dps, self sufficient builds for E/Es. wat?


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Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Why grind? Reply #3 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:54pm	Print Post
	All those quests to flag for citw? Takes max 2h to do them all.


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Azog Ex Member	Re: Why grind? Reply #4 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:05pm	Print Post
	Well, I do not grind. I think it is possible to beat EE without top notch gear. Reasonable good gear is enough.


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SwashbucklerHater Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 337 Joined: Sep 2^nd, 2013	Re: Why grind? Reply #5 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:07pm	Print Post
	The grind is the key to keep you playing MMORPGs. And about citw... don't do the quest because you want to flag for citw, because you don't want to run the raid anyways, unless really need one of the weapons from there. The raid is just plain boring and tiring, at least after doing it a few times and it's not new anymore. I often got the feeling mid raid, that I am falling asleep infront of the computer, even if it's not really late already. That does't happen often in other raids for me and happend in 90% of my last citw runs. Thank god Turbine gave all my toons 2 raiders reward boxes. Apart from that, 18sorc/2pally seems a good build to start if you are new and want a viable endgame build. Much easier to get the saves high enough to matter and you can decide if you want to go shiradi or standard sorc nuker.
	« Last Edit: Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:09pm by SwashbucklerHater »

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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Re: Why grind? Reply #6 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 8:08pm	Print Post
	All my main toon are first lifers and casters, with the exception of one. It depends what you want to do. Personally multi trs are about as appealing as a pint of warm puke so I don't do EEs in general, although all my first lifers run fine in them. Stop stressing and have fun


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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Why grind? Reply #7 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 8:17pm	Print Post
	I can't stand first lifers......I get the gear on my multilife toons for a reason :> Also third lifers are really easy especially when you go iconic and only have to farm 15-20

	Terebinthia wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:26pm: the Wayward Lobster is a retard petting zoo.
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Distributed Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 855 Joined: Oct 4^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Why grind? Reply #8 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 8:38pm	Print Post
	DDO is grindy? That's always a funny one. I've played MMOs where it could take years to legitly cap a character DDO's grind is a joke compared to those.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Why grind? Reply #9 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 9:11pm	Print Post
	ZP wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:12pm: properly build an epic capable character? Depends on what you want to play. Look at some videos first. The fastest speed time thread is great place to see the runs for the type of character you want to play. See what they are using, boosting, clicking, etc. where and how they move. Try that on lower difficulties until youre used to it. Gearing out is important. a lot of pieces to the puzzle, may miss options on gear without realizing it. Search some threads for your type of character and compare stats, breakdowns for them, gear slots, enhancements, feats, spells.
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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ZP Waterworks Kobold Offline Zippy! Posts: 114 Joined: Apr 21^st, 2014	Re: Why grind? Reply #10 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:25pm	Print Post
	Is there an epic capable arti? how about epic capable trapper? I prefer ranged. Don't understand melee.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Why grind? Reply #11 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:33pm	Print Post
	ZP wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:25pm: epic capable arti? A good player can make anything work, I would suggest Sestra's monkcher or Jakelala's Meteor Shower. Dont be intimidated by the name, he just likes gay names is all.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Why grind? Reply #12 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:40pm	Print Post
	ZP wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:25pm: Is there an epic capable arti? how about epic capable trapper? I prefer ranged. Don't understand melee. My buddy tried to make an Epic capable Artie, then he quit for two months...


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ZP Waterworks Kobold Offline Zippy! Posts: 114 Joined: Apr 21^st, 2014	Re: Why grind? Reply #13 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 2:13am	Print Post
	What about an epic capable melee? Would you rec Juggernaut?


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Why grind? Reply #14 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 2:39am	Print Post
	I recommend monk. You can tank, steal aggro from everyone and tank whether the tank likes it or not, kill trash, nap, pike, and even self heal to the point having a healer in the group is meaningless. Yes, monks are the way to go.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Why grind? Reply #15 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 2:42am	Print Post
	ps - you may not get 200prr, but you can get up in the 130s with ac over 180. It isn't to shabby. THIS IS WHY YOU GRIND

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Erofen Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 204 Joined: Mar 18^th, 2014	Re: Why grind? Reply #16 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:03am	Print Post
	kierg10 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 8:17pm: Also third lifers are really easy especially when you go iconic and only have to farm 15-20 Um... no. That is definitely not how it works.�


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ZP Waterworks Kobold Offline Zippy! Posts: 114 Joined: Apr 21^st, 2014	Re: Why grind? Reply #17 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:19am	Print Post
	Clearly, I need the get monk.


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ZP Waterworks Kobold Offline Zippy! Posts: 114 Joined: Apr 21^st, 2014	Re: Why grind? Reply #18 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:19am	Print Post
	Wait, are we talking epic capable monk?


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Illetirated Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 568 Joined: Nov 19^th, 2013	Re: Why grind? Reply #19 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:08am	Print Post
	quivering palm was nerfed, but still works a bit stun works well monk is easy get stun +10 handwraps (antipode, or the other ones from unquiet graves?), dupe eveningstar challenge ings for the +6 stun cloak, dupe shadow scales for +1 stun outfit

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Strakeln Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Lumberjack Posts: 12345 Joined: Jun 27^th, 2009	Re: Why grind? Reply #20 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 10:33am	Print Post
	ZP wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:12pm: It takes a long time to get through the game.� 20 runs of shroud for that yellow dopant?� All those quests to flag for CiTw.� The number of times you have to run Von to get the scrolls, shards, and seals that you need.� The number of runs through crystal cove.� All the wilderness areas to run through.� The guild levels to gain.� And on and on.� Why grind?� Why do I play this game?� Why do I keep grinding?� For better gear?� For upgrading gear?� For a little more attack damage?� Why? You sound like me four years ago. That was before they added even more ways to grind the game over and over. Believe it or not, DDO once called itself the no-grind MMO. While it was mostly untrue, it was at least a step in the right direction (grind-lite). They have completely and utterly lost sight of that.

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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Why grind? Reply #21 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 10:57am	Print Post
	Strakeln wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 10:33am: Believe it or not, DDO once called itself the no-grind MMO. While it was mostly untrue, it was at least a step in the right direction (grind-lite). They have completely and utterly lost sight of that. The really sad thing is, they bucked conventional wisdom on the subscription only model and it pulled the game back from the brink, why are they so hung up on the "grind is necessary" conventional wisdom now? Did they used to have leaders with vision and they all left? Did they pare down their talent pool to the point that they can't produce content worth playing for its own merits?

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Why grind? Reply #22 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:08am	Print Post
	Erofen wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:03am: Um... no. That is definitely not how it works.� Oh I'm sorry you find the epic levels hard and need a call out for them..... I was under the impression that epic leveling was so easy it didn't deserve a mention, but I guess I'm so stupid and it needs to be mentioned for its difficulty. On a serious note: you retard I know how iconics work. Epic xp is the same life and it is fucking easy every life. It does not deserve a mention unless you are too retarded to breathe. the most difficult part about tring is not falling asleep from boredom in the low levels.

	Terebinthia wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:26pm: the Wayward Lobster is a retard petting zoo.
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mystafyi Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 836 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Why grind? Reply #23 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:32am	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 10:57am: why are they so hung up on the "grind is necessary" conventional wisdom now? So they can sell ways to bypass the grind they implement.


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ZP Waterworks Kobold Offline Zippy! Posts: 114 Joined: Apr 21^st, 2014	Re: Why grind? Reply #24 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	Thank you for this sentiment. I definitely feel worn out by the grind. Strakeln wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 10:33am: You sound like me four years ago. That was before they added even more ways to grind the game over and over. Believe it or not, DDO once called itself the no-grind MMO. While it was mostly untrue, it was at least a step in the right direction (grind-lite). They have completely and utterly lost sight of that.


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