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Oct 19th, 2014 at 3:14pm
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I have a 8/2 Pal monk I'm going to fire up.  I can LR the monk out.  Curious as to what good builds are these days.  I read you can face roll with pure paladin with sword/board; I'd prefer pure paladin if possible.  Thoughts, ideas?

  
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Reply #1 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 4:51pm
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I've got a Human Pure Paladin with a 182 AC, 269 PRR, and 159 MRR. He's S&B with the Purple Dragon Tower Shield but he's not a Vanguard type. He's always in Sacred Defender stance (1320 HPs) and Legendary Dreadnaught for his Epic Destiny.

Does a fair amount of damage, even more when Divine Might is active but not the best DPS by any stretch.

He is the most survivable character I have though. Thinking about switch to Bladeforged but I probably won't because of all the healing amp he's got. He gets 5-7 HPs back on every swing of his Nightmare the Fallen Moon.
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Reply #2 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 9:49pm
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I'm trying to work out if Bastard Sword + Shield benefits from the two handed fighting stance bonus.
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ie. the combat style bonus that grants +10 melee power


If so, I'm liking the look of S&B 18pally/2 fighter Vanguard.

I'll go t5 in Kotc for neg level immunity, last I checked Stalwart armor/shield mastery Sacred armor/shield mastery stacked, it should be possible to pick up about 12dodge, and + 10% style bonus to attack speed.

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Reply #3 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:17pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 9:49pm:
I'm trying to work out if Bastard Sword + Shield benefits from the two handed fighting stance bonus.

If so, I'm liking the look of S&B 18pally/2 fighter Vanguard.

I'll go t5 in Kotc for neg level immunity, last I checked Stalwart armor/shield mastery Sacred armor/shield mastery stacked, it should be possible to pick up about 12dodge, and + 10% style bonus to attack speed.


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Reply #4 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:22pm
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gawker wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:17pm:
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Reply #5 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 12:01am
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I am running 4th Divine life on my pure human Vanguard.
230 prr and 82 Bash at lvl 21, something like 95 bash at cap.
100+ Stun should be possible with pimped Strength and whatnot.

That 5% ~ 75 autobash procs a LOT, I think that and 5% double strike is very much worth going pure.
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Reply #6 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 12:24am
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Wipe wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 12:01am:
That 5% ~ 75 autobash procs a LOT, I think that and 5% double strike is very much worth going pure.


Imo, it's not if the 2hf fighting feats & stance bonus works with bastard swords.

Pure 20 Paladin Feats :
1 Human = Power attack
7 Heroic = Shield Mastery, ISM, Shield Bash, Exotic B.Sword, I Crit, Stunning Blow, Tower Shield Prof.
3 Epic = Ocrit, Empower Heal, Blinding Speed

18/2 gets Tower shields free (ie. +3 feats vs above) (as an aside, Leviks was surprisingly good when I was testing on Lam, it was fun making use of such an old and iconic item):
1 Human: Power Attack
7 Heroic: Shield Mastery, ISM, Shield Bash, Exotic B.Sword, I Crit, 2hf, Empower Heal.
2 fighter: i2hf, gthf
3 epic: Ocrit, Stunning Blow, Blinding Speed.
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Reply #7 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 1:05am
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I think it does work, except melee power.
If you watched Zerkul's Tor video, he has gthf on Vanguard so I suppose it does work.
Even then, would extra glances and extra Kotc and effects damage on glances be better than 5% Doublestrike ?

I have Precision and Tactician- speed is on Innocent boots.
Madstone Aegis can save proficiency feat on pure too, I like eBulwark at 20 and Bastion or Pdk shield though.

If it wasn't for the passive Stun I wouldn't like it that much I suppose, tried one life Kotc with khops so would get back to that.
Pally is uber no matter what you do to be honest. The tankiness with Kotc + stance or Vanguard + stance is amazing, 5 levels underlevel EE sagas, stuff like that.

Glad such topic started, I wanted to post one but it's so uber that don't really need much advice Smiley
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Reply #8 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 1:25am
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Wipe wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 1:05am:
I think it does work, except melee power


The 2HF +10 Melee power bonus is what I'm uncertain of with bastard swords + s&b. If the +10 melee power is applied I think splashing fighter to fit it & extra actionboosts in may well be worth more than the Vanguard or KOTC capstones.
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Reply #9 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 2:16am
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I forgot my lvl 15 mule has both shield mastery and first rank of thf - MP doesn't stack.
Only found this thread.
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/449323-Improved-Shield-Mastery-and-Gre...
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 2:28am
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 1:25am:
The 2HF +10 Melee power bonus is what I'm uncertain of with bastard swords + s&b. If the +10 melee power is applied I think splashing fighter to fit it & extra actionboosts in may well be worth more than the Vanguard or KOTC capstones.


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Reply #11 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 2:29am
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Wipe wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 2:16am:
I forgot my lvl 15 mule has both shield mastery and first rank of thf - MP doesn't stack.
Only found this thread.
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/449323-Improved-Shield-Mastery-and-Gre...



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Reply #12 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 3:01am
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Wipe wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 12:01am:
I love it.


Wow, someone is loving a S&B build, that is some kind of win right there.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 7:34am
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 12:24am:
Imo, it's not if the 2hf fighting feats & stance bonus works with bastard swords.

Pure 20 Paladin Feats :
1 Human = Power attack
7 Heroic = Shield Mastery, ISM, Shield Bash, Exotic B.Sword, I Crit, Stunning Blow, Tower Shield Prof.
3 Epic = Ocrit, Empower Heal, Blinding Speed

18/2 gets Tower shields free (ie. +3 feats vs above) (as an aside, Leviks was surprisingly good when I was testing on Lam, it was fun making use of such an old and iconic item):
1 Human: Power Attack
7 Heroic: Shield Mastery, ISM, Shield Bash, Exotic B.Sword, I Crit, 2hf, Empower Heal.
2 fighter: i2hf, gthf
3 epic: Ocrit, Stunning Blow, Blinding Speed.


Tower shield prof is not needed, fot shield has it, for rest there is master touch.
Blinding speed is pretty much useless too, because E boots of the innocent.

  
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Reply #14 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 4:29pm
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Wipe wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 12:01am:
I am running 4th Divine life on my pure human Vanguard.
230 prr and 82 Bash at lvl 21, something like 95 bash at cap.
100+ Stun should be possible with pimped Strength and whatnot.

That 5% ~ 75 autobash procs a LOT, I think that and 5% double strike is very much worth going pure.
Stuns Undead, stuns constructs.

I love it.


Screenie of enh breakdown please? I fudged my PDK 2/18 and only have 165/80 prr/mrr and want moar! Using Talon and Twinblade/Oathblade so far.
  

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Reply #15 - Oct 22nd, 2014 at 3:21am
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Hmm not much to fudge enhancements wise.
And there is prr from Blitz, heroic WGU ring, more past lives, Harbored By light tier 5 in Defender.
Or even twisted 20 prr with Combat Expertise but that's kinda waste - Precision is better and anything over 200+ is good enough.

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Reply #16 - Oct 22nd, 2014 at 6:43am
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Dude those saves.... Go charisma based, activate DM hit 50 Str anyway with mid 40 charisma. YW
  

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Reply #17 - Oct 22nd, 2014 at 6:48am
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I was just wondering, what's the usual STR top pallies run around with (buffs n all)?
  

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NOTdarth wrote on Oct 22nd, 2014 at 6:48am:
I was just wondering, what's the usual STR top pallies run around with (buffs n all)?

Both my pally builds are charisma based. 46~ on each. Str in low 50s w/o tenser, house d pot, or yugo pot. That extra 10 points on str isnt going to make much of a difference killing mobs, and getting saves higher has more impact.
  

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Reply #19 - Oct 22nd, 2014 at 7:04am
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 22nd, 2014 at 6:43am:
Dude those saves.... Go charisma based, activate DM hit 50 Str anyway with mid 40 charisma. YW

Yeah I know, I am actually going back and forth between charisma and strength.  She has only 4 tome and only 8 charisma item and just 7 saves from 3bc gloves I think in the pic. No Good Luck either. Just wanted to try close to full retard tactics at level this time.
But to be honest I don't feel the need for more saves. Levelling, that is.
I swear I didn't die once in quest since u 23 ( and exclusively EE sagas , underlevel or not ), except Gop and Mod. 
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Wipe wrote on Oct 22nd, 2014 at 7:04am:
Yeah I know, I am actually going back and forth between charisma and strength.  She has only 4 tome and only 8 charisma item and just 7 saves from 3bc gloves I think in the pic. No Good Luck either. Just wanted to try close to full retard tactics at level this time.
But to be honest I don't feel the need for more saves. Levelling, that is.
I swear I didn't die once in quest since u 23 ( and exclusively EE sagas , underlevel or not ), except Gop and Mod. 

Yeah, dying on new heavy armored builds is kinda hard now. Even melee unfriendly bosses like Thrill of the Hunt, or maralith room in PoP were noticeably easier on hvy armored pally. Which is to be expected when damage reduction is 66% or higher.

  

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Reply #21 - Oct 22nd, 2014 at 7:44am
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NOTdarth wrote on Oct 22nd, 2014 at 6:48am:
I was just wondering, what's the usual STR top pallies run around with (buffs n all)?



I'm hitting about 76 str reliably with tensors and DM.

My Charisma hits about 50 when fully buffed.
  

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Reply #22 - Oct 22nd, 2014 at 11:32am
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Wipe wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 1:05am:
Glad such topic started, I wanted to post one but it's so uber that don't really need much advice Smiley


But . . . the retard fanbois on the forum told me fighters are just fine . . . are they lying?  Smiley
  
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Reply #23 - Oct 22nd, 2014 at 5:22pm
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Wipe wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 1:05am:
Glad such topic started, I wanted to post one but it's so uber that don't really need much advice

You've no idea the level of stupid I can attain when starting building a character. 

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Reply #24 - Oct 22nd, 2014 at 6:25pm
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Oct 22nd, 2014 at 7:44am:
I'm hitting about 76 str reliably with tensors and DM.

My Charisma hits about 50 when fully buffed.

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