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livefreeordie Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 362 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2011	Caster FvS Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:56am	Print Post
	Working on my Sorc Epic levels, and plan on TRing into my FvS to play to and keep at cap for a while. He has 1X Fvs, Wiz and Sorc past lives. And will get another Sorc + an Epic when he TRs this time. And have a few questions while I try to figure out my build. Currently only have +2 tomes. Power over life and Death the best epic past life if I'm going to get only one? My epic gear is zero, and will take a long time to get the best/second best in slot stuff, does that mean insta killing is not worth building towards and I should focus on direct dmg? If so, thinking 17/2/1 Fvs/Monk/Wiz is the way to go, better suggestion? Skills: Heal, UMD, Balance Feats something like: L1: Maximize and Empower (Human Bonus) L3: Quicken L6: Heighten L8: Toughness or Dodge? (Monk Bonus) L9: Adapt of Forms L12: Master of Forms L15: PL Wiz L18: Grandmaster of Forms L20: SF Evo (wiz bonus) L21: Empower Heal L24: Greater SF Evo L26: Spell Power Light L27: Ruin L28: Epic Spellpower: Force or Light Any suggestions would be welcome, have not played a healer since cap was 20. Thanks


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4338 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Caster FvS Reply #1 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:04pm	Print Post
	livefreeordie wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:56am: f so, thinking 17/2/1 Fvs/Monk/Wiz is the way to go, better suggestion? so you're making a caster FVS with no level 9 spells... changes I'd make: 17 fvs = 17 cleric 2 monk = 2 fighter 1 wiz = 1 wiz. level 9 spells, heavy armor prof for mrr / prr, only loss is wings.

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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: Caster FvS Reply #2 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 1:21am	Print Post
	If you have access to shiradi right away, might as well do the standard shiradi 12/6/2.


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nietzsche Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 52 Joined: Aug 9^th, 2012	Re: Caster FvS Reply #3 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 6:26am	Print Post
	Running Caster Fvs from 2011. I Only have got 'usefull' PLs (3x fvs/wiz/sorc), no completionist. Human pure Evoker fvs in exalted angel with twist to max evo DC (you could fitta also EB if you have all destinies maxed): good in every EE so far (implosion work reliably also in necro IV ). It only suck on boss DPS,there you need some meele minion help.. Implosion for everybody, slay living/destruction for low fort save enemies, soundburst+divine wrath+energy burst for groups of enemies. Stat: 8/8/17/13/18/8 all lvl up on wis Feat: max.emp.sf evo.gsf evo.pl wiz.quicken. Eighten.sf necro Epic: wis x 3


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Caster FvS Reply #4 - Nov 13^th, 2014 at 6:43pm	Print Post
	Cleric overall makes a better divine caster currently, speaking strictly about dc casting, since it allows for the 17 splits. My guildie did a 17 cleric 3 fsoul on my suggestion with harmor. Worked out perfectly fine for him. He did for example ee tracker trap solo without using a single sp pot. That is what i consider sp efficient. Also maxed out implosion etc, all the nice stuff. I could clearly say that i consider that the best divine casting dc oriented/light spp build atm /anything cleric base fsoul 2ndary is currently a beast. Maybe add figh for feat but its not needed. I personally played fsoul and cleric with new enchancments, and tbh only good thing about fsoul is shiradi archon or to serve as splash. The good old days of op fsouls are so behind us
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nietzsche Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 52 Joined: Aug 9^th, 2012	Re: Caster FvS Reply #5 - Nov 14^th, 2014 at 1:43am	Print Post
	DC wise, keeping all the same beside the main tree(race, wis bonus from.other trees, etc.etc), a cleric in DD not going pure is 1 point of DC behind a Fvs (clr+2 wis +2 wis -capstone +2 evo dc/fvs: +2 wis, +1 evo.dc, +2 dc -aura of menace)


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Red Sox H8 Yankees Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 708 Joined: Mar 20^th, 2014	Re: Caster FvS Reply #6 - Nov 14^th, 2014 at 5:13pm	Print Post
	Divine DC casting is a myth in any content above normal.

	The grass is always greener on the other side of the razor wire fence.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4338 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Caster FvS Reply #7 - Nov 14^th, 2014 at 6:06pm	Print Post
	Red Sox H8 Yankees wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 5:13pm: Divine DC casting is a myth in any content above normal. Druids are divine casters...

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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Caster FvS Reply #8 - Nov 14^th, 2014 at 7:03pm	Print Post
	nietzsche wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 1:43am: DC wise, keeping all the same beside the main tree(race, wis bonus from.other trees, etc.etc), a cleric in DD not going pure is 1 point of DC behind a Fvs (clr+2 wis +2 wis -capstone +2 evo dc/fvs: +2 wis, +1 evo.dc, +2 dc -aura of menace) The slas from cleric and a better divine spellpower casting tree make up for anything a fsoul gets, sburst becomes useless in later levels somewhat /since fort save/ so you really only rely on implosion which is really cool if you have maxed sorc and alatrictity past lifes. But its boring playstyle. IF we are talking about sp efficiency and dps for bosses which was always a issue for divines, then cleric wins. Higher level casted slas do way more dps then archon. Im not for or versus any specific kind of playstyle, its just how it currently is in ddo. Yes i liked the old days when bb kiting fsoul was king as well
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Caster FvS Reply #9 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 5:39am	Print Post
	What are you talking about again ? 30 invested points plus Scourge alone is more than anything in Divine Disciple. And more crits, more caster levels, Archon with Just rewards. Possible second Sun Bolt. You know how much damage is fucking cl 11 Searing Light or Smite with I don't know 450 spell power? 300-350 . Now compare that do 900 Necrotic ray, Druid SLAs or Avenging or Sunbolt. Don't forget to mention more sources of light spellpower and MAX Evo in the same post. Changing destinies or calculations from one post to another as it suits you. OP, that looks okay, but you are not gonna Implo anything in Stormhorns though with your past lives and ditching some Wisdom brackets. EDIT : profanity removed
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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Caster FvS Reply #10 - Nov 15^th, 2014 at 5:54am	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 5:39am: What are you talking about again ? 30 invested points plus Scourge alone is more than anything in Divine Disciple. And more crits, more caster levels, Archon with Just rewards. Possible second Sun Bolt. You know how much damage is fucking cl 11 Searing Light or Smite with I don't know 450 spell power? 300-350 . Now compare that do 900 Necrotic ray, Druid SLAs or Avenging or Sunbolt. Don't forget to mention more sources of light spellpower and MAX Evo in the same post. Changing destinies or calculations from one post to another as it suits you. OP, that looks okay, but you are not gonna Implo anything in Stormhorns though with your past lives and ditching some Wisdom brackets. EDIT : profanity removed Try a 17 cleric 3 fsoul then come back again and argue with me. On my light spp build including metas i had roughly over 1000 light spp. That was before thforged gear was added to game. Now you can more or less with angel form sustain that spp. From favored sould you only need crit line and scourge and possibly spp boost from t2. Regula searing light is not caster level 12, and il be short, it can easily crit over 1 k, nimbus as well is a very good spel and both of those have a lower cd then what druids word of balance is. When you do simple math and compare times you can cast those 2 with 1 balance your argument becomes invalid and retarded. Also YES I� PLAYED A FAVORED SOUL AND A FUCKING CLERIC IN EE, and a cleric main fsoul hybrid is the best you fucking moron. So instead being a moron like you are try to do the proper thing and agree that fsoul does not have a proper casting nor healing tree and is only useful for splashing and shiradi builds and help change the devs mind to put fsoul on revamp list. Profanity and caps included
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livefreeordie Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 362 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2011	Re: Caster FvS Reply #11 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:47am	Print Post
	Strongly leaning towards 18fvs/1monk/1wiz. I like wings to much to go Cleric. Implosion should work well enough soloing most epic content that I dont think I wanna give it up for evasion. How does the MM SLA work for DPS? The idea is to run Prism Stance and just spam along with other spells? How many missiles do you get?


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Caster FvS Reply #12 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 11:39am	Print Post
	Red Sox H8 Yankees wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 5:13pm: Divine DC casting is a myth in any content above normal. Maybe for you. My FvS lands DC spells almost without fail in EH and with workable regularity in EE.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Caster FvS Reply #13 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 11:42am	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 5:54am: On my light spp build including metas i had roughly over 1000 light spp. I'd like to see the breakdown on that. Is that sustained or with temporary/situational boosts?


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Caster FvS Reply #14 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 1:04pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 11:42am: I'd like to see the breakdown on that.� Is that sustained or with temporary/situational boosts? Temp boosts, breakdown is on mother forums, numbers are different today since it was pre thholme pack, so now its easier to keep and almost sustain those numbers


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4338 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Caster FvS Reply #15 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 3:14pm	Print Post
	livefreeordie wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:47am: Strongly leaning towards 18fvs/1monk/1wiz. I like wings to much to go Cleric. Implosion should work well enough soloing most epic content that I dont think I wanna give it up for evasion. How does the MM SLA work for DPS? The idea is to run Prism Stance and just spam along with other spells? How many missiles do you get? Is 2 wisdom really worth forcing yourself to stay centered? Fighter and heavy armor would provide alot of defense. As for the SLA last i checked, you don't get more missles from items / ED's that boost your caster level.

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WelloveLLamas Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 70 Location: Orien Joined: Jun 24^th, 2014	Re: Caster FvS Reply #16 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 3:32pm	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 1:04pm: Temp boosts, breakdown is on mother forums, numbers are different today since it was pre thholme pack, so now its easier to keep and almost sustain those numbers Link me to the post if you can!


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livefreeordie Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 362 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2011	Re: Caster FvS Reply #17 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 3:14pm: Is 2 wisdom really worth forcing yourself to stay centered? Fighter and heavy armor would provide alot of defense.� As for the SLA last i checked, you don't get more missles from items / ED's that boost your caster level. 4 if you put in the 3 feats in addition to some dodge and saves, (Ocean Stance now grants +4 Wisdom, a +4% dodge bonus to Armor Class, +5 to all Saving Throws). Did not know the EDs did not provide caster level, so does that mean I just get 1 magic missile from the SLA? Honestly I have no idea if its worth it. As I said, have not played a FvS since before cap was 20, and just coming back to the game now, so trying to weigh costs and benefits of different things is pretty hard. Mainly why I put this here, to get peoples thoughts on the best way to work this out.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Caster FvS Reply #18 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 4:40pm	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 1:04pm: Temp boosts, breakdown is on mother forums, numbers are different today since it was pre thholme pack, so now its easier to keep and almost sustain those numbers Would you mind linking for those of us that don't visit the main boards anymore?


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4338 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Caster FvS Reply #19 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 5:43pm	Print Post
	livefreeordie wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 4:13pm: 4 if you put in the 3 feats in addition to some dodge and saves, (Ocean Stance now grants +4 Wisdom, a +4% dodge bonus to Armor Class, +5 to all Saving Throws). I'm aware, good luck fitting those in though. 1� � Max 1H� Empower 3 Quicken 6 Heighten 9 spell focus 12 greater spell focus 15 empower heal 18 adept of forms 21 epic spell focus 24 master of forms 27 Grandmaster of forms M Bonus: Deflect Arrows W Bonus: Mental toughness. You could easily replace master and grandmaster of forms with Epic wisdom *2.� There isn't room to pick the feats up earlier in heroic levels without dumping other metamagic feats.� So I'll stick with: Munkenmo wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 3:14pm: Is 2 wisdom really worth forcing yourself to stay centered?
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Caster FvS Reply #20 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 5:54pm	Print Post
	It was maybe debatable before ( and you would still had lower DCs than pure ). Now it's not even close, shield + medium grants you 100 prr. Lot tankier than pyjamas what 30 prr in water ? With 110 - 120 ac you might see some misses too.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4338 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Caster FvS Reply #21 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 5:56pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 5:54pm: It was maybe debatable before ( and you would still had lower DCs than pure ) Monk splashed clerics had the same DC's as pure. monk splash had +2 wisdom over fvs, as fvs capstone gave cha not wis. Only druids had a capstone that improved the DC over splashing, and even then not for evocation spells.
	« Last Edit: Nov 19^th, 2014 at 5:58pm by Munkenmo »
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Caster FvS Reply #22 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 6:01pm	Print Post
	You are too quick to correct me. Never enough time for edits


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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: Caster FvS Reply #23 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 6:32pm	Print Post
	livefreeordie wrote on Nov 19^th, 2014 at 10:47am: Strongly leaning towards 18fvs/1monk/1wiz. I like wings to much to go Cleric. Implosion should work well enough soloing most epic content that I dont think I wanna give it up for evasion. How does the MM SLA work for DPS? The idea is to run Prism Stance and just spam along with other spells? How many missiles do you get? You need a +2 augmentation item, 3 pc abishai set and 6 points invested into enhancements to max out magic missile with only 1 wizard level. That's pretty rough. DC casting is still sub par IMO, if it works for you it just means you don't have enough DPS. Implosion is 5 dead mobs every 60 seconds... that's garbage. I'd still suggest going all in on DPS and not worrying too much about DCs. At least two levels of wizard splash gets you free maximize, which is really, really strong.


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livefreeordie Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 362 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2011	Re: Caster FvS Reply #24 - Nov 19^th, 2014 at 7:19pm	Print Post
	Thanks for all the input, and you actually bring up some points I came to as well.� I just posted the following on my guild formums Quote: Ok since log in is broken, rethinking my build. I think 18FvS must happen, wail is to much fun in most content, that I think Ill miss implosion. And I gotta have my wings. So gotta few questions. What does the Wiz SLA do. From what I understand its powerful with the shardi Epic because of the multi hits, but this seems to be quite a tie down. 2 MMs with twilight being used (which is not to bad, its a great staff, and I have one) but having that set wont happen for me (and is a bit of an equipment tie down). Is having 3-4 MM hit really that powerful on a sometimes proc? My other though is going caster focused with some tanky, so maybe a 19/1 with figher, or 18/1/1 to throwin some first level cleric enhancements or monk.� General thoughts? Still trying to get my head around it. Mew cleared up some of the MM questions I have, but what are suggestions for a still Caster DPS focused (not necessary DC) but on the survivable side. I will think about 18/2 wiz as well, but my fotm is leaning towards DPS with some tankyness. EDIT Thoughts on best Epic past life if I only plan on doing 1 for now?
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