less than 5 levels from completionist Im looking at a life to stick in for a while.  I want the build to be self sufficient and able to solo EH stuff while half asleep and half drunk, and be useful and helpful in EE.  Im thinking that a Pale Master, archer might be what the doctor ordered.  I can farm out epic TR's in at least 3 of the tree's and still be decent if not 100% optimized.  So now I need to figure out how to do this.  I never made a monkcher or an archer period for that matter.  I have 2 ideas that appeal to me but I might be missing the point.

First
11 rng 7 wiz 2 monk  ranger gives me most of the important feats, I can ditch dex completely since i only have a +4 tome combat archery might be out of reach, and get GMoF easily enough.  Plus if i fit power attack somewhere Im pretty decent with a pair of handwraps.  Spend points in harper to get angles, as some ranged power/spell power and I feel like it would be solid.  Extend, max, Empower for casting feats

Second
11 rng 7 wiz 2 Fvs.  For this i can take heavy armor (asuming I can get the ASF down enough to where i can cast neg burst reliably) swap my int focus for cha, half elf pal dilly and longbow as impliment for some extra spellpower.  This feels setup seems a little more silly, more diverse and less EE capable just mulling it over in my mind.

Other than these builds, I guess I could go 7 ranger 7 wiz 6 monk elf dex build, but that feels less fun to me i dont know why.  Perhaps its because I dont understand how effective 10k stars is. 

Any advice/input would be appreciated.

*edit* just noticed AA turns bows into impliment so maybe pal instead of fvs would do the same trick.  Also noticed elf has an ASF enhancement so thats interesting.

Is 10k stars required because of a better cooldown than manyshot?  Im struggling to see how to have a decent damage dealing stat, as well as a 50ish wis for 10k. 

Sorry if i seem like a complete noob, havent built an archer before.  I suppose I could go 7 Ranger 7 wiz 6 monk to include 10k stars and still keep to the PM idea, but I think I would need to go dex build at that point. 

Also I noticed that elf AA give out the capstone at level 25, seems like it should be an auto include but alot of ppl make halfing monkchers and such. Is the capstone not *that* good?

Bows have a really shitty rate of fire. Fortunately there are 2 abilities in the game that improve this.

Whilst they share the same activation timer, they have separate cool downs. So it's possible to go:

10k Stars, Manyshot, 10k stars, 10k stars, Manyshot, 10k stars : repeat.
as opposed to
wait, manyshot, wait, wait, Manyshot, wait : repeat

That's why bow users essentially have to have monk levels.  Manyshot and Doubleshot do not compete with Manyshot / 10K stars.

khyberkajiit wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 5:14am:


Read what I said and comprehend it.

Went 7 ranger 7 wiz 6 monk.  Its okay but i kinda have to run and hide if my hps get low and let death aura bring me back.  Havent tested it in MoD content yet which is where it should do better.

Kinda regret doing str build as 10k is only giving me about 3 attacks

I Rerolled and went 14 pal 6 monk.  Liking it so far but only level 25.  Its nice to be able to actually self heal and not have to hide from LoS while death aura ticks up.