Standing totals:

18 base
7 lvlup
6 tome
11 item
1 racial enhance (8 ap with temp CHA boost, 1st tier h-amp, 6 spell power with orbs)
2 ice savant (25 ap w/cores to lv 4 and spell pen)
2 air savant (23 ap w/cores to lv 4)
2 harper (24 ap w/heal amp)
1 excep (orb of blood)
2 profane (epic litany) - 1 currently
3 insightful (robes or blue helm)
6 right side of ED
1 stance in fatesinger
1 core fatesinger
2 completionist
2 ship buff
2 twists
1 epic CHA feat
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70 total standing (69 currently) - 30(29) DC to all spells

short term buffs:

2 yugo potion (15 min)
2 card potion (10 min)
4 profane (abishai cookies) (10 min) - confirmed stacks fully with heroic Litany (possibly epic as well but I don't have one)
1 fatesinger song (3 min)
3 house D pot (1 min)
3 from human boost (20 sec)
4 fatesinger song (20 sec)

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19 total self buff for total of 88 CHA (39 DC from CHA)


Feats:
1 - spell pen/grtr spell pen
3 - focus enchant
6 - wiz past life
9 - heighten
12 - grtr enchant focus
15 - completionist
18 - quicken
21 - epic enchant focus
24 - bard past life
27 - epic CHA

Water AP:
1 core 1
3 cold ray
2 ice crit 1
3 cold resist
3 hoarfrost
1 core 2
2 ice crit 2
1 core 3
2 ice crit 3
2 spell pen
2 CHA
1 core 4
2 CHA 2
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25 total
1 core - spell power boost
3 CHA on boost
2 heal amp
2 core CHA
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8 total

DC for mass hold
10 base
9 spell lvl
39 from CHA
6 thunderforged weap
5 feats
2 from augment
3 Enchant Spec twist from Magister
1 ship buff
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75 DC Mass Hold completely self-buffed

With an epic Litany and a 4th twist slot I will be able to briefly hit 90 CHA if the epic Litany stacks with the Abishai cookies the same as the heroic one does.

As an aside, when testing things to get these calcs I found that the Inspire Excellence +2 all stats bard song does NOT stack with Turn Of the Tide.

Also, I can hit 75 DC in Exalted Angel which is the destiny that I run in more since it makes healing so much easier. Higher with an external bard's help. Also in my standard fighting spec I do not have 2 CHA twists but only 1 and I also twist sense weakness. This allows me much easier self-healing and soundburst as well. Exalted has higher base DCs thanks to its core abilities but for stunts like this one Fatesinger is the way to go.

Question, what for do you take the spell penetration feats?

Also no maximize and empower?

Lelouch wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 8:42am:

I take the spell pen feats because on EE I can actually hit drow most of the time now.

I used to have max/emp but it makes you drain SP too quickly, and sense weakness causes the dmg to boost as much if not more. It is much more dmg efficient to cast the spell twice due to a sorc's fast cooldowns.  While they are held I usually rotate between otiluke's sphere, hellball, and ball lightning.

Unless the point is just to get max charisma in regular questing, I don't get the purpose/benefit of this build.

I think my knowledge of sorcs is pretty good.
I did around 8 sorc lifes on my main, now im sorc as x3 all with all gear imaginable to sorc.
Soloing raids for fun as fleshie sorc slowly to prove some points to some wf fanatic tards.

Anyways.
As i know, main point of sorcs is not to have dcs from a sub par destiny like fatesinger, but either caster levels for very high burst dot damage and nuking via draconic OR shiradi garbage OR exalted that offers some minor healing and spamable spells for fleshie sorcs.

Fatesinger is just.. How to put it simply?
Really really bad

Dont want to sound disrespectful but.. fatesinger is really junk for sorcs.
Esp since its in same sphere as draconic so it makes even less sense why to pick it

And this comes from someone who soloes most content on ee as sorc.
Maybe its ok if you plan to group and rotate only mass hold and energy burst, and group with people

Sasha wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:


Well, having the majority of my points in water and air savant gets my spell power way up.  So once I have them CC'd, my Sense Weakness kicks in, and my AOEs do a ton of dmg anyway.  Yes it's not the beautiful 20k crits I can get on Draconic but since the breath and energy burst are on such long cooldowns, I get more DPS this way anyway.  Draconic loses so much in DCs that I have a hard time landing CC on EE.

Have to agree with Lelouch on the Fatesinger thing.

I did a pure sorc for shits and giggles on my main and was able to reach mid 70s enchant on a lightning sorc, in DI.

Don't see the point of not being in DI seems like you would sacrifice alot of dps...might just be me though.

I... I dont even know, while 88 cha is impressive. You DO NOT need that much to hit epic elite dc's. I played sorc 3 times. Once as a shiradi and 2 times as a dc casters for my sorc pls and for arcane pl's. I only ever reached a 70 cha and that was with a jolly bard in my group giving me inspire excellence. I had a 66 will save or so, cant remember on my mass hold, and didnt once have a problem cc'ing things in any epic elites. I guarantee you are not putting out more damage than a sorc in draconic. Convince me otherwise.

ignore the horrible saves once i found out you dont need 70 in all saves to survive ee i stopped paying attention to resistance items etc. also was at 26 here so potential 72. With that everything that could be held was held, i checked.

  DC?wut is dat..just sld them out~