Wipe wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 11:37pm:

There is an issue at the moment where champions are getting dual damage buffs.  Getting hit for 3K on high PRR/Fort (220 PRR/195 fort) toons is very possible (while funny the first time.. it gets old fast).

While I agree this is likely not working as intended.. it is happening.

Wipe wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 11:37pm:


I do take your point and would if I could.
But  travelling atm so not playing.
Only have the forums.  I'm reading both sides on both forums with interest.

The idea has potential if they were less common, but it sounds as though the implementation is flawed.
I only venture comment on what I read, as i can't say whether it is too hard or not personally.
Not that it matters much, there is so much noise on the mother forums about it,
Devs will just be laughing the sadistic bastards.

so are these guys spawning in any adventure areas or challenges?

Tested out the spawning in Haunted Halls. The skeleton giant's mobs unfortunately do not drop chests. That or 10 minutes of watching them fall dead as I left the room was insufficient testing.

The Mummy's spawns however, were all champions, all 12 of them. They dropped 7 chests. Still, not much value to it. Maybe a PM could heal the mummy back up to a 1/4, 1/2, or 3/4, and they would spawn again. Seems a lot of effort to go through.

DropBear wrote on Dec 13^th, 2014 at 5:09am:

Oh, it was after finishing the EH run. So no, not much of a challenge. I think. I mean, maybe they would have been really awesome if they'd have hit me. But it was a lot more like a game of Epic Ring Around The Rosie.

A lot like Devil's Assault until the lions spawn. DA's first wave, every. single. Ba'atezu. was a champion. I tried it EE, just to get a feel for how bad it would get. It was definitely manageable, considering I'm still leveling an off destiny, and I didn't get Christianized until the lions came. It actually just reminds me of what it was like before the PRR pass without evasion.

I'll say it again, it really matters what type of mob the champion is. Spellcasters become very bad news in groups. Zombies and skeletons, not so much. And I believe Rest, champion eyeballs sound like a royal FUBAR.

Makes me wanna step into that Deneith quest to see if there are champion ballistae. 

Every gangbang just became an S&M party.

Also, keep in mind, I'm soloing. That's a giant easy button, so don't be too impressed.

Revaulting wrote on Dec 13^th, 2014 at 7:19am:


You're a masochist RV.   

I wouldn't bother playing till they sort it out.   

idk, running lot of quests since update (well EH mostly) and havent seen such hillarious hits - only in new stuff couple high dmg strikes.

from the other hand hard halls are pretty fine loot runs now - with killing all necros, whispers horrors and mummy guardians we re getting like 15 bonus chests - and i ve seen some fine things dropping - like +4/+5 tomes, ruby eye augs and lvl 28 augs. since i still need to get neckie from there, thats not bad

Ever thought eh is bugged and ee is fine?
Because all I see people bitching about high dmg is in eh quests.

Rubbinns wrote on Dec 13^th, 2014 at 2:43am:

I see. I asked about numbers outside new quests in the other thread, thought I mentioned it here too.

I have only been putzing around in the vons because I do them so often.

Von 2: 2 EE runs, both times at least 75% of the dogs were champions. of the 6 beholders I encountered only one was a champion. Damn near all the fucking spiders were champions and 1 did drop a chest, VT. End fight 4 of 5 the first run, none the second run.

Yellowsnow wrote on Dec 13^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

Yellowsnow wrote on Dec 13^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

Mostly, you answered that yourself. You aren't going to be bothered by a mob if you can zerg past it. Doesn't matter if that mob has a 100% one-shot kill. Also, you didn't play against much force damage.

I've said it already, but I'll say it again: the type of mob makes an enormous difference. A champion spider is just funny, or cute, if small. Zombies, skeletons, normal fighters ... all unimpressive (and probably balanced the way Turbine intended). Even many of the caster mobs are nothing special. It's only when you get a mob that trips or casts a special (i.e. things that depend on DC) that it matters whether the mob is a champion. Champion Jarilliths might suddenly enter old Air Elemental territory. Champion Giants (since their earthquake stomp is still bugging out) might suddenly auto-kill. And champion eyestalks just murder.