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Who Cares Not this guy ^^^ Offline You sir, are a dickbag. Posts: 1951 Joined: Dec 5^th, 2014	Need a little help with the fucked up agro system. Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:44pm	Print Post
	So, the last time I played a tank was fucking long ago. So I have a couple questions on this fucked up agro system as it is today. Shit I have noticed is that I no longer get a "you fucking failed" on my die when I hit intimidate, it only gives me a die roll on a success. What the fuck is this all about. As far as hate generation goes, is it better to hit intimidate then cleave, or cleave then intimidate. I am about to take 28, and am trying to decide between first blood and elusive target. While damage mitigation is always nice something that hits 5% vs something that hits %100 vs full hp is a tough call for me. The bonus to initial hate generation on first blood might be useful. Any insight you dickbags might have would be appreciated, except from Teh_Faker you can fuck off bro.

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apep Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 244 Joined: Apr 11^th, 2011	Re: Need a little help with the fucked up agro system. Reply #1 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:52pm	Print Post
	You should still get rolls on fails. It could be that whatever you were attempting to intimidate was in NPC mode, was borrowing, was out of range, or played a threat ta- was mindless. Intimidate, then cleave. A successful intimidate puts you at the top of the threat list with a bit of a buffer and increases threat generation for a little while. Both are terrible. Take perfect THF or perfect TWF, which ever you haven't taken.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Need a little help with the fucked up agro system. Reply #2 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 2:32am	Print Post
	Who Cares wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:44pm: So, the last time I played a tank was fucking long ago. So I have a couple questions on this fucked up agro system as it is today. Shit I have noticed is that I no longer get a "you fucking failed" on my die when I hit intimidate, it only gives me a die roll on a success. What the fuck is this all about. As far as hate generation goes, is it better to hit intimidate then cleave, or cleave then intimidate. I am about to take 28, and am trying to decide between first blood and elusive target. While damage mitigation is always nice something that hits 5% vs something that hits %100 vs full hp is a tough call for me. The bonus to initial hate generation on first blood might be useful. Any insight you dickbags might have would be appreciated, except from Teh_Faker you can fuck off bro. First off, tank builds are pretty much worthless and not really needed anywhere in the current game because pretty much anyone can tank if you have enough EPLs. Even if no one volunteers to tank someone can surely kite. That being said, you may not see rolls because a lot of shit is immune (though you should get a "Cannot be influenced" error message against undead, constructs, vermin.) A lot of other monsters have randomized aggro. If you intim and then cleave you get to skip part of the intim animation IIRC. If you're a tank, then your defense is surely good enough without elusive target and you should probably pick a DPS feat. I've never really cared for first blood, but it can be really good if you tend to play solo and pull mobs one at a time. I would take PTWF for the 5% double strike if you didn't take it at 26.

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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Need a little help with the fucked up agro system. Reply #3 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 12:36pm	Print Post
	It's okay to have some intim for trash ( many items have some intim on it ) but building for super high Intim is quite pointless. Choose extra threat in stance, get Mod ring, pop Divine Righteousness, twist Commanding Presence if you really have to. But the only thing you are even going to tank are elite Mod Deathknights, and maybe hordes of trash in places like Vol or Whelon - but that's kinda overkill anyway. Or champion CinderspawnT ( did Inferno on my silly ranger yesterday, oh boy quite a difference compared to 230 prr Blitz LOLbrokengarbagepally )
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bob the builder Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 772 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2011	Re: Need a little help with the fucked up agro system. Reply #4 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 1:58pm	Print Post
	Allz I knows is that I'm huge giant tree getting ready to put the beat down on a bunch of mobs and they all go racing past me, through a door and down the hallway where I parked my pocket cleric.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9186 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Need a little help with the fucked up agro system. Reply #5 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 3:02pm	Print Post
	I get the same problem. I run out to go beat on stuff and they all run right past me towards my hireling/owlbear/any random NPC. What am I, chopped liver?! Sometimes I feel like they don't even WANT to kill me!!

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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4380 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Need a little help with the fucked up agro system. Reply #6 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 4:55pm	Print Post
	bob the builder wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 1:58pm: Allz I knows is that I'm huge giant tree getting ready to put the beat down on a bunch of mobs and they all go racing past me, through a door and down the hallway where I parked my pocket cleric. The intern has been playing with the AI in recent months and has cocked it up majorly. Not just Hirelings, but NPC AI is screwed up to. Some hirelings/toons seem to have 1000 intim as far as the monsters are concerned.

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9186 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Need a little help with the fucked up agro system. Reply #7 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 5:15pm	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 4:55pm: The intern has been playing with the AI in recent months and has cocked it up majorly. Not just Hirelings, but NPC AI is screwed up to. Some hirelings/toons seem to have 1000 intim as far as the monsters are concerned. The explanation? Because Meth is a hell of a drug. Just say no to drugs, game developers.

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