Well i guess you will stay in harmor or?
Hmm lotsa ap to negate spell failure for a hmm haste and displace.
Go with the palie version imo if you are really set for those 2 splits.
Benefits: no need to spend heart and saves to go semi god mode.
But little question why 3 levels?

Add in a second diety-based weapon feat for a 3rd paladin level(so +1 to hit and +1 to damage) not huge but ok. And a touch of extra smite damage.

I guess the 3rd paladin level is not so much "Why?" as "Why Not?". A 6th wizard level only adds an extra level 3 spell, not hugely valuable. A 13th fighter level is similarly lackluster.

Of course if I go with the rogue build, now it looks like 3 rogue/5 wizard is going to be better(lil extra sneak attack, some help trapping).

Then again, the paladin has the advantage of being basically "ready" out of the gate(meaning I'd level right to 15 and already have my 3 paladin/5 wizard bits) and just takes fighter levels to 20. Since I'm not springing for a +3 heart, the rogue version would be 1 rouge/5 wizard/9 fighter, taking levels 16 and 17 as rogue levels.

And, honestly, since I kind of hate trapping and love not noticing traps, I am starting to heavily favor the paladin build.

why not replace those 12 levels in fighter with 12 levels in pallie that will get you more manna and good paladin spells as well fighter is really only buying you some feats, additionally it allows you to use someone other than a robot if you want to because pally built in heals. With only 6 levels in wizard your you will have to settle for only serious repair.  Additionally unless your taking rogue for the evasion you cold replace your rogue levels with artificer levels. Artificer gets trap finding and at 3 levels you could take elemental weapons, Byeshk weapons ect

Op, are you after blade forged fighter lives?

If so, I'd be seriously considering a tree build over your proposals.

Bladeforged SLA is superior so you are required to have pally levels unless you HoW into Rogue levels.  Pally 3 would mean that you would have to choose Wizard 5/Fighter12 or Wizard6/Fighter 11.  Both of these options have drawbacks.  Wizard 5 would cost you a good spell slot (Rage, Haste and Displacement).  Fighter 11 would cost you Power Surge.

I'm not sure if Pally 2 would be the best choice.  Not really sure what the 3rd level would gain you.

Another consideration will be AC (maybe).  If you wanted to invest in AC then you must have Adamatine body, which would add Arcane Spell Failure.

Red Sox H8 Yankees wrote on Feb 10^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:


Is rage really worth considering when a potion lasts for 1:30?

I'd wager the better argument is 12 seconds less haste/displace per extended cast.  Either way there's no way I'd go 11/fighter/6wiz  instead of 12fighter/5wiz. Power surge and a feat slot is imo, worth more than 6th wizard provides.