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Feb 11th, 2015 at 7:44am
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i want to try to use shuriken in heroic (i know is not convenient, but listen) and i'm wondering what effect i can put on weapons

i mean, i can equip a shuriken and a shortsword, and i would like to add some effect on them

i'll say the things i'd like to have, i simply want to know which effect i can put on the shortsword that will work throwing shuriken

wounding (-1 con on hit)
ranged alacrity 10%
holy burst
sneak attack +5
tendon slice 8%

which ones should be on the shuriken and which ones on the shortswords?
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 11th, 2015 at 8:11am
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Use the ne from cata in low levels or th spike one.
Crit profiles.
I hope you are going rogue for sh dodge.
If y i would suggest to play with sraffs instead in heroic content
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 11th, 2015 at 9:03am
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Orange Flash wrote on Feb 11th, 2015 at 7:44am:
wounding (-1 con on hit) u on drugs?
ranged alacrity 10% maybe
holy burst ehm, no?
sneak attack +5 guess so, but wrong slot
tendon slice 8% why would u

which ones should be on the shuriken and which ones on the shortswords?


did you even read the suggestions of the shurricannon creator??? i mean the real deal and not some gay ass tainted wanna be build with tons of flaws.

get shadow star, snow star and at 16 spelltouched one's. aim for paralyzed. shurrican lottery is a bitch so you better got tons of ES-Chall-mats. or go GS which i don't recommend. get H-morningstars and slot some meteroic star rubies. procs quite often and is a very nice and helpful aoe.
as for the offhand get treason, env. blade for at least some armor piercing + - sneak attack eventhough it's doesn't seem to work but anyways better more shit than less.

and if you just have no luck or plainly suck at getting all that stuff go good line on shuks and have seeker on you off hand stuff cuz at the end of the day you want every shot to be a hit and you want crits.
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Reply #3 - Feb 11th, 2015 at 11:40am
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of course i got lvls of rogue, and i can make an heroic build with quarterstaff, but hey, i want some challenge Cheesy

thx for the answers anyway...
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 11th, 2015 at 6:41pm
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bosuze wrote on Feb 11th, 2015 at 9:03am:
did you even read the suggestions of the shurricannon creator??? i mean the real deal and not some gay ass tainted wanna be build with tons of flaws.

get shadow star, snow star and at 16 spelltouched one's. aim for paralyzed. shurrican lottery is a bitch so you better got tons of ES-Chall-mats. or go GS which i don't recommend. get H-morningstars and slot some meteroic star rubies. procs quite often and is a very nice and helpful aoe.
as for the offhand get treason, env. blade for at least some armor piercing + - sneak attack eventhough it's doesn't seem to work but anyways better more shit than less.

and if you just have no luck or plainly suck at getting all that stuff go good line on shuks and have seeker on you off hand stuff cuz at the end of the day you want every shot to be a hit and you want crits.


you're an idiot.

Also, play with staves while leveling. Until your Dex hits 40-50+, shurikens are sort of overwhelming. Around level 16 they get viable.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 11th, 2015 at 9:03pm
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Shuriken are a bad choice at low levels. Even bows shoot faster. But since you're committed to it:

Shadowstar, Snowstar, and spelltouched beats anything you can craft. If you don't have shadowstar, get it. If you don't have that pack, I guess you can craft something.

In which case:
wounding (-1 con on hit) Won't proc from off-hand. Can't craft on a star.
ranged alacrity 10% Works from wherever you put it. Why not put on goggles or necklace or trinket?
holy burst Seems a waste. Main use is DR breaking, for which you can craft holy or righteous, and fit something else, with lower ML.
sneak attack +5 Like ranged alac. and tendon slice, should proc from whatever equipment it's on.
tendon slice 8% bosuze is underestimating how nice it is to be faster than the mobs. Works on many bosses, too. Still, pretty useless at low levels, and at higher levels, deception and imp. deception get you more bang for your buck.
Deception works from any gear slot. Can craft on off-hand.
Imp. deception as soon as you can get it.
Crippling procs from off-hand, last I remember (not tested recently), but also is not as good as literally anything else on this list.
If you're crafting, don't forget to add at least a +1, to get the "magic" damage type.

For off-hand, most effects have been "fixed" and no longer proc. If anyone has a current list (heroic and epic) of what procs from off-hand, I'd enjoy not having to run those tests....

Tendon slice and deception proc. I can confirm that much.
  

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Reply #6 - Feb 11th, 2015 at 10:08pm
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i tryed deception, have to be on main hand or won't work (i'm talking about the craft thing)

i have shadow star but you know, on named shuriken sting of the poison will not work. i think i will buy the pack for snowstar, that shuriken seems amazing

ty revaulting, your was the best answer Smiley
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 3:22am
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Orange Flash wrote on Feb 11th, 2015 at 10:08pm:
ty revaulting, your was the best answer Smiley



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Reply #8 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 5:27pm
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Orange Flash wrote on Feb 11th, 2015 at 10:08pm:
ty revaulting, your was the best answer

Fuck you. That was completely uncalled for.
  

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Reply #9 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 11:07am
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.... guys you all are very strange

  
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Reply #10 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 12:07pm
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Now you are giving people compliments heh
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:25pm
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Orange Flash wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 11:07am:
.... guys you all are very strange



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Reply #12 - Feb 15th, 2015 at 12:33am
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another question about shuriken build (finally on epic Smiley )

i'm on shiradi, i took the 60% speed bonus on throw thingies. i tried to see if that stuck with the 30% haste bonus from rogue tree...

visually, speed is the same

i wanna know if there is a speed limit, or maybe is that fast that is not shown on the animation, but the dps is increased.... any clues?
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 15th, 2015 at 3:17am
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Note that you only get about half of the stated bonus on ranged alacrity because it speeds the throw animation but not the reload animation.
  

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Reply #14 - Feb 15th, 2015 at 9:15am
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also, what to do against undead?? Smiley
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 15th, 2015 at 7:05pm
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Orange Flash wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 9:15am:
also, what to do against undead??

Shoot them, too.
  

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Reply #16 - Feb 16th, 2015 at 2:13pm
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Jeez I wish there was a thread that had all the answers you're looking for already. That'd be really helpful.
  
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Reply #17 - Feb 16th, 2015 at 10:10pm
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Revaulting wrote on Feb 11th, 2015 at 9:03pm:
If anyone has a current list (heroic and epic) of what procs from off-hand, I'd enjoy not having to run those tests....


rest wrote on Feb 16th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
Jeez I wish there was a thread that had all the answers you're looking for already. That'd be really helpful.


Me too. Did it get updated while I wasn't looking?

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Reply #18 - Feb 18th, 2015 at 8:23pm
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bosuze wrote on Feb 11th, 2015 at 9:03am:
did you even read the suggestions of the shurricannon creator??? i mean the real deal and not some gay ass tainted wanna be build with tons of flaws.


Wait.. who are you referring to as the creator sir >.> (Wonders if the 7 year old toon, named "Shurikannon", who was built and rebuilt over its 7 year life before people even thought about shuris as useful.. would qualify into "creator" XD) Nah.. HardyHar did some great work with it after the enhancment pass.. i even utilized a few of his theory-builds.. He also posted it on the main forums, and here.. ^-^

rest wrote on Feb 16th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
Jeez I wish there was a thread that had all the answers you're looking for already. That'd be really helpful.


heh.. my exact thought when i seen this thread.. Dint harhar already have a few of these up.. with very good information for noobies to stars..

Revaulting wrote on Feb 11th, 2015 at 9:03pm:
Crippling procs from off-hand, last I remember (not tested recently), but also is not as good as literally anything else on this list.


I know its not "low" level.. But lvl 18 - Shimmering Arrow, adds cripple to your ranged/thrown and is a trinket.. Theres not too many trinkets to keep on always at that level.. i think..
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Reply #19 - Feb 18th, 2015 at 8:32pm
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Vendui wrote on Feb 18th, 2015 at 8:23pm:
Wait.. who are you referring to as the creator sir >.> (Wonders if the 7 year old toon, named "Shurikannon", who was built and rebuilt over its 7 year life before people even thought about shuris as useful.. would qualify into "creator" XD) Nah.. HardyHar did some great work with it after the enhancment pass.. i even utilized a few of his theory-builds.. He also posted it on the main forums, and here.. ^-^


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Reply #20 - Feb 18th, 2015 at 10:33pm
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gawker wrote on Feb 18th, 2015 at 8:32pm:
Oh just shut the fuck up and crawl back under your rock, you and you're socks are not needed.


Still going with the "i have socks" theory? your more than welcome to ask strake.. i have no socks whatsoever.. who needs to hide?
  
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Reply #21 - Feb 19th, 2015 at 3:03pm
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Vendui wrote on Feb 18th, 2015 at 8:23pm:
Wait.. who are you referring to as the creator sir >.>


gess bosuze is talking about the shiradi shuricannon build
  
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Reply #22 - Feb 19th, 2015 at 3:33pm
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doyourealyknow wrote on Feb 19th, 2015 at 3:03pm:
gess bosuze is talking about the shiradi shuricannon build


yeah, i never even thought of using the cannon with shiradi until harhar mentioned the insane proc rate in one of the builds. He had some great ass ideas for it. with the LD change, ive found myself using blitz tossing more than shiradi however. Less random procs, more guaranteed dmg. Especially considering how easy it is/was to maintain blitz on a thrower. every toss had a 10^nth chance of procing another stack Tongue, nth being between 1 and like.. 10 XD
  
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Reply #23 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 7:42am
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firewall's  Huh
  

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