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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #75 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 12:21pm	Print Post
	Tincan wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 11:45am: Sireth would have gotten a better increase in LD, with both variants w/ Lethality (not counting 19-20 mods) sitting at 43 hits out of 20 swings, which is 6 up for Bloom and 8 up for Sireth. How on earth did you come up with that? LD only offers a +1 crit on 19/20.� It doesn't favor either version of the quarterstaff, and is definately behind the crit profile that can be gained in Divine Crusader. Pulveriser A) Doesn't work on sireth, and B) Doesn't stack with TA Staff spec. Are you trying to say that LD favors Sireth over E.Bloom?
	« Last Edit: Apr 26^th, 2015 at 12:39pm by Munkenmo »
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Tincan Korthos Resident Offline I dove Llama! Posts: 22 Joined: Apr 26^th, 2015	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #76 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 12:30pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 12:21pm: How on earth did you come up with that? w/o Lethality: LDSireth: 11+83 = 35 LDBloom: 13+64 = 37 DCSireth: 9+103 = 39 DCBloom: 11+84 = 43 w/ Lethality: LDSireth: 11+84 = 43 LDBloom: 13+65 = 43 DCSireth: 9+104 = 49 DCBloom: 11+85 = 51 In LD, Lethality would have been 8 up for Sireth, 6 up for Bloom, making h/s equal. In DC, the delta is lowered from 4 to 2 which is why I said that 18-20/2 base would have profited more. Moot point anyway. Did Turbine present these almost-changes to the council?
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #77 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 12:49pm	Print Post
	Right, you meant better, as in LD favors sireth better than E.bloom. In none of the scenarios does either weapon exceed a total of +2 crits over the other. It's largely a wash even when factoring in seeker & other sources of damage on crit. Tincan wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 12:30pm: Did Turbine present these almost-changes to the council? I think I'm bound by NDA even if it's already being discussed in public.
	« Last Edit: Apr 26^th, 2015 at 1:04pm by Munkenmo »
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Tincan Korthos Resident Offline I dove Llama! Posts: 22 Joined: Apr 26^th, 2015	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #78 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 12:58pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 12:49pm: Looks to me like Sireth is still behind in LD: My first statement was probably not very unambiguous, but I never meant to question that. Quote: I think I'm bound by NDA even if it's already being discussed in public. No problem, thanks anyway.
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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #79 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 1:17pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 12:49pm: Right, you meant better, as in LD favors sireth better than E.bloom. In none of the scenarios does either weapon exceed a total of +2 crits over the other. It's largely a wash even when factoring in seeker & other sources of damage on crit. http://i.imgur.com/wa9H76m.png I think I'm bound by NDA even if it's already being discussed in public. You keep forgeting adding the +30 dmg to sireth, which you get from cloudburst, lightning strike and supreme good... Without taking that into consideration it is nothing but flawed math. So with that taken into account, sireth will come ahead farther in ld dps wise. blooms crappy effects are nullified by fom.
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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #80 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 1:20pm	Print Post
	Tincan wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 11:04am: Yes, I have the combined powers of earth, fire, wind, water and love over Sev. lol

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #81 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 1:22pm	Print Post
	Quote: You keep forgeting adding the +30 dmg to sireth, which you get from cloudburst, lightning strike and supreme good... Roll Eyes Without taking that into consideration it is nothing more than flawed math. I have Base Damage written at the top of the fucking sheet, it's so easy to add +30 that even you're capable of it.

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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #82 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 1:24pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 1:22pm: I have Base Damage written at the top of the fucking sheet, it's so easy to add +30 that even you're capable of it. Then don't say bloom > sireth with such flawed math.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #83 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 1:31pm	Print Post
	1+1 = Window Sireth has been usurped.

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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #84 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 1:39pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 1:31pm: 1+1 = Window Sireth has been usurped. fail


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #85 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 1:43pm	Print Post
	If you say so. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to log onto my TA and use the games best staff. The Epic Elemental Bloom.

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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #86 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 3:11pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 1:43pm: If you say so.� Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to log onto my TA and use the games best staff.� The Epic Elemental Bloom. Dream on buddy. Sireth will remain supreme .


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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #87 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 3:31pm	Print Post
	Tincan wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 10:55am: You're arguing exactly down my alley. ??? So why the call of Bullshit? Did you think I was saying it wasn't a killer combo, or that killer combos helped diversity? For the record, my only point was that if you're going to have a killer combo, then build diversity is better if the combo can be obtained through multiple different tree combos. I personally like diversity and dislike power creep, but I acknowledge I'm not going to stop them so I just advocate for minimizing the impact�

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Ah Pook Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 314159265 Posts: 1439 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2014	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #88 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 3:47pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 12:49pm: I think I'm bound by NDA even if it's already being discussed in public. I think if you got booted, I'd ragequit.

	Daggertooth wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 6:52pm: I'm pretty fucking sure I am a special snowflake. Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 8:32am: Laugh it up, funny man.
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Tincan Korthos Resident Offline I dove Llama! Posts: 22 Joined: Apr 26^th, 2015	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #89 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 4:29pm	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 3:31pm: ??? So why the call of Bullshit? Did you think I was saying it wasn't a killer combo, or that killer combos helped diversity? No idea. Stormed in here with bandages and an insult on my lips, my bad. And yes, I probably read Quote: Actually, putting a "must have" ability in multiple trees improves build variety. different than you intended.
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #90 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 4:46pm	Print Post
	Tincan wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 4:29pm: No idea. Stormed in here with bandages and an insult on my lips, my bad. And yes, I probably read LOL,KK

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4380 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #91 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:42pm	Print Post
	Tincan wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 4:29pm: No idea. Stormed in here with bandages and an insult on my lips, my bad. And yes, I probably read different than you intended. Nicely done. +1 Is this the first time on the Vault someone has admitted being wrong/misinterpreting something? That has set a dangerous precedent.

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Who Cares Not this guy ^^^ Offline You sir, are a dickbag. Posts: 1951 Joined: Dec 5^th, 2014	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #92 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:44pm	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:42pm: someone has admitted being wrong What the fuck are you talking about, I admit when other people are wrong all the time.

	Fuck Off, That is all Strakeln wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 9:17pm: WC can do whatever he wants. [] wrote on Feb 6^th, 2017 at 11:26pm: Public Service Announcement: your servers are not dead; if you can't find groups, it means you suck and/or nobody likes you.
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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4380 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Butthurt players turn on each other and Rogues pay Reply #93 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 7:40pm	Print Post
	Who Cares wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:44pm: What the fuck are you talking about, I admit when other people are wrong all the time.

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