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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Crit multipliers thrown weapons Reply #50 - Jun 17^th, 2015 at 3:48am	Print Post
	gawker wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:57am: Hag and Epoch should start a support group and Arkat could be treasure. What support would I add to a group?

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Crit multipliers thrown weapons Reply #51 - Jun 18^th, 2015 at 10:19am	Print Post
	Here are my numbers for the Throwing axe. Grand's 'Pico' Axe Test Lev 28 pure rogue In capped fury (only +1dam, nothing else) Light armor zeroed-out returning throwing Axe No other equipment Overwhelming critical was switched out for IC throwing precision running 12 points harper Hit average from 5 sets of 20 normal hits Crit average from 5 sets of 10 crits All sets against a fresh dummy Harper only averages Hit 41.5 Crit 182.6 mltp 4.4 lethality and Harper averages Hit 40.7 Crit 179.8 mltp 4.4 Expert builder and Harper averages Hit 42.2 Crit 185.7 mltp 4.4


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Crit multipliers thrown weapons Reply #52 - Jun 18^th, 2015 at 1:27pm	Print Post
	One thing that I'm finding a little strange is that neither forest or grand is posting Ranged Power figures. No one seems to be disturbed by the fact that Forests and Grands damage figures show significantly higher values than the expected x2 and x3 crit values. I'm not suggesting shenanigans on the testers part, but I am requesting your Ranged Power numbers because I want to try and see if I can back into why the numbers are'nt a flat x2 or x3 crit as expected. Forest has suggested "exponential" effects on crit, but without any real compelling suggestions as to why. My first theory is that Ranged Power (and perhaps Melee power but I dont know because I don't have any melee toons these days) is applied to the initial damage roll, and then applied AGAIN to the multiplied critical value of damage when a crit is rolled. So say I throw a dagger for 40 Damage, with 50 Ranged Power (Outside of blitz and boosts this is a reasonable figure for a 28 based on Passive RP feats/ED). On a crit, I'm suggesting maybe it goes: 40(1.5) = 60 (2 Crit Multi) = 120 (1.5 Ranged Power) = 180 Looks like a x3 Crit, but it's not. Here's forests test numbers: using throwing dagger: Only Harper int. dam Average hit- 48 Average crit- 143 = 2.979x* Expert builder and Harper int. dam Average hit- 49 Average crit- 144 = 2.938x Lethality and Harper int. dam Average hit- 48 Average crit- 145 = [b]3.02x[/b] Just a thought


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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1812 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: Crit multipliers thrown weapons Reply #53 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 12:59pm	Print Post
	With a L15 Shitty-Kai Rog using starter gear and investing in Mechanic for ranged I get a ~2.1 multiplier on a Shadow Star. (Data I spoke to before was on a halfling mutt.)


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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1812 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: Crit multipliers thrown weapons Reply #54 - Jun 19^th, 2015 at 1:02pm	Print Post
	(Ranged Power: 52. For some reason no Modify button on above post as usual.)


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crunch Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 745 Location: Europe Joined: Mar 20^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Crit multipliers thrown weapons Reply #55 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 4:38pm	Print Post
	kum-gulp wrote on Jun 19^th, 2015 at 12:59pm: With a L15 Shitty-Kai Rog using starter gear and investing in Mechanic for ranged I get a ~2.1 multiplier on a Shadow Star. (Data I spoke to before was on a halfling mutt.) if you're using the out-of-the-box shadar kai build - it takes Power Critical (http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1431025205/14#14)


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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1812 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: Crit multipliers thrown weapons Reply #56 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	I wasn't, it was built to test with, thanks though!


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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Crit multipliers thrown weapons Reply #57 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:18pm	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 3:48am: What support would I add to a group? Arch support? As in Arch Psycho?

	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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