Ooooh, all the whining

"mum, they don't want to lower the xp required to TR, they want to prevent me from epic TR every 3 days, they don't want to make the game too easy so it suits my noobish playstyle and gets too boring and easy for everyone else. boo hooo hoo"



Fucking whiners, Thanks to the devs for not listing to the super noobs who want to remove the grind and want uber-gear without grind or skill. Thanks for shitting on those lowlifes, you can sell those lowskillers all the stuff they need in the store though, that'll give the game a nice cashflow.

Looking forward to future updates! 

Yeah, what the game needs is more epic XP required. That'll aid retention.

Does anyone still playing actually care?  MOTU came out more than three years ago.  You've had three years to max your epic past lives. 

I'm more pissed off that they didn't keep their promise to allow class selection of iconics at level 1. 

Edit: not three years, when did epic past lives come out again? 

Asheras wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:21pm:



Haha made me lol - at this point Nothing Will Do That!

But not a bad idea...

Asheras wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:21pm:


Don't forget to finish your 12 IRs on each character on time as well.

Otherwise that grind will be like a millstone...around your neck.

Asheras wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:21pm:


You're on fire Ash.  Best suggestion I've seen yet.

Alex DeLarge wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2015 at 6:51am:


I-TR is kind of a pickle because they broke their race/class molds to make them work, but two easy options would be:

1)  Keep it tied to the E-TR point of 6.6 million sphere XP and you have a zero impact scenario.  If you let Iconics start at 15, they have to go till they could E-TR and when they reach that point, they get an Iconic PL instead of an Epic Sphere PL.  Just like now.  It's not as clean thematically, but short of reworking the entire system, it is your best option.

2)  Keep I-TR tied to cap.  So you have to run 15-20 and then 21-30.  But, once done, you get a Class PL, Iconic PL, and an Epic Sphere PL and, as per usual with E-PL, you wipe the sphere XP.  So they have to go the two extra levels, but they get the Epic PL as compensation that they aren't currently getting when they I-TR.  To balance the cost it you might need to make them burn an Epic Heart of wood and Iconic Heart of wood to do this. 

The best complete rework, imo, would be this:

Remove the level 15 start point.  Change what you call them from Iconic classes to Iconic races  Because, that's what they are in reality.  You choose them when you choose a race.  They have racial stat modifiers.  They have a racial enhancement tree, not class tree.  They are different physical skin.  They are a race in every way, except that races don't get PL's.  Only classes and epic destiny spheres do.  So in that one way, they act as a class. 

So make it consistent with other races.  You pick a race at character build (Iconic or traditional), you start at level 1.  Make racial PL's for the other 8 races and change the name of Iconic TR to Racial TR and you get a racial PL every time you Racial TR at Epic cap.

So,
H-TR's give class PL's and are tied to reaching level 20 (the end of regular class levels).
R-TR's give racial PL's and are tied to reaching level 30 (the end of the character's level progression).
E-TR's give epic sphere PL's and are tied to the epic destiny sphere cap of 6.6 million XP in a sphere (the end of progression in that epic sphere).       

If you have people upset because they liked the level 15 starting point with more running epic content and less heroic content, you can move the level 15 start point to 20 and make an option for any character of any race as an option at character creation.  So you start at level 20, but you don't get a Heroic PL when you TR at level 30.  Since you skipped those levels.  It's your choice as a player whether you choose to start at level 1 or level 20.  So, your options are:

Run 1-20 and do an H-TR and get an Class PL.  Go back to level 1.
or
Run 1-20 and then earn 6.6 million sphere xp and do an E-TR to earn an Epic PL.  Go back to 0 XP in that sphere.  No change in character level.
or
Run 1-20 and then 21-30 and do an R-TR.  Get a Racial PL.  Go back to level 20.  At this point, you can H-TR and get a Class PL and go back to level 1 or run to 30 again for another R-TR.  You may be doing E-PL's along the way.
or
Start at 20 and run 21-30 and then R-TR  to get a Race PL.  At this point you can go back to level 20 or go back to level 1.  But you don't get a class PL if you go back to level 1, since you skipped the class levels.   

But that re-work is a lot of effort.  Including coding racial PL's for the 8 other races.  May be some player issues with not being able to get Class PL's by playing just 15-20 of heroic.