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Oct 27th, 2015 at 4:36am
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So, my next life will be ranger and for flavor, I want to use a bow fulltime.

The thing is: tier 5 in deepwood is looking much better to me then tier 5 in arcane archer. Is that correct, or am I missing something?
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 5:44am
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My current life is tempest, but I have dicked around with both tier 5s and run a decent amount of content as archer (most recently the u27 quests on elite a level under). To me it felt like DWS was better, but I only just hit 15, so if you're going iconic, ymmv.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 10:27am
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Vic wrote on Oct 27th, 2015 at 4:36am:
So, my next life will be ranger and for flavor, I want to use a bow fulltime.

The thing is: tier 5 in deepwood is looking much better to me then tier 5 in arcane archer. Is that correct, or am I missing something?

You are correct.

The best single ability is, of course, slaying arrows but that is for tier 5 AAs. The overall best tier 5, however, is the DWS tier 5. There are 3 or 4 very good abilities in it whereas the rest of the AA tier 5 abilities (besides slaying arrows) is just meh.
  

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Re: Best tier 5 for archer?
Reply #3 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 11:02am
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Vic wrote on Oct 27th, 2015 at 4:36am:
So, my next life will be ranger and for flavor, I want to use a bow fulltime.

The thing is: tier 5 in deepwood is looking much better to me then tier 5 in arcane archer. Is that correct, or am I missing something?


Depends mostly on the amount of Ranger you want to play and what build you have in mind.

If going 18/20 Ranger, I agree with going DWS. If playing any form of Elven Archer (that is not 18+ Ranger already), go with AA and invest in the capstone with Slayer and +2 Elemental Dice.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 11:27am
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deepwood stalker = kill yourself faggot, AA is still far superior, though it won't be for long (they're getting rid of slayer arrows).
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 12:00pm
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totally wrote on Oct 27th, 2015 at 5:44am:
My current life is tempest, but I have dicked around with both tier 5s and run a decent amount of content as archer (most recently the u27 quests on elite a level under). To me it felt like DWS was better, but I only just hit 15, so if you're going iconic, ymmv.



Level 15 and talking DPS, faggot?  The only level that matters is the last one, DPS is something you build for, not casually pick up like so many black guys at a bar, you cocksucker.
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 12:13pm
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Reply #8 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 12:28pm
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DWS T5.

Sniper shot is actually starts to outpace Slayer arrow once you base damage and Ranged Power is high enough, especially since it's usable 5x as often (6 second cooldown). I know you don't need T5 for Sniper shot, but 20% Double shot, +5 Damage, 25 stacks of AF for red/purple names, and addl FE damage and choice is aruably a bit better than slayer. And you can get most of hte best stuff in AA without t5, such as bow multi and up to t4 Imbues which now do a fair amount of damage if you work on your SpellPower a little bit.

All of my time trials on Lamm showed DWS out damaging AA by 5-10% over time.

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Re: Best tier 5 for archer?
Reply #9 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 12:51pm
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Thx folks for responses, glad i am not alone in this.

I need ranger past life, so i will go with most levels of ranger.

I surely want to go 12 lvl ragner for the dws core, and I guess i will go 18 for the aa core.

the golden question is - considering i take tier 5 dws (thus spending 39 pts in DWS), and taking core 18 in AA (thus spending 31 AP in AA), is it better to go for capstone in DWS or AA?

going for DWS capstone leaves me with 8 APs to spend elswhere, going with AA capstone locks those 8 APs in AA tree....
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 12:52pm
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 27th, 2015 at 12:28pm:
DWS T5.

Sniper shot is actually starts to outpace Slayer arrow once you base damage and Ranged Power is high enough, especially since it's usable 5x as often (6 second cooldown). I know you don't need T5 for Sniper shot, but 20% Double shot, +5 Damage, 25 stacks of AF for red/purple names, and addl FE damage and choice is aruably a bit better than slayer. And you can get most of hte best stuff in AA without t5, such as bow multi and up to t4 Imbues which now do a fair amount of damage if you work on your SpellPower a little bit.

All of my time trials on Lamm showed DWS out damaging AA by 5-10% over time.



yeah, you're never going to hit for over +40k with a fucking sniper shot, faggot.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 12:56pm
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[] wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 5:28pm:
heard it here first!  best player ever just quit the game (me),


[] wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 2:14pm:
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i'm dead serious about quitting; done.



[] wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 2:13pm:
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Reply #12 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 1:06pm
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this ia good question, both give 4 Dex, but AA gives 20% DS, and the other gives 20 Ranged Power.

Since Doubleshot increases your chance of giving you an extra shot, but RP gives more power to your existing primary shot and your potnetial doubleshot arrow, I have to think that DWS will be more useful in the long run. But I have not done the actual math for final RP and Doubleshot values for a Pure ranger, and the devil is actually in those details. Honestly, it probably doesn't make a difference. If you're just doing a Ranger PL, and aren't going past level 20, it's irrelevant.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 1:06pm
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yeah, you're never going to hit for over +40k with a fucking sniper shot, faggot.



No, you're going to hit for about 20k, 5x. Which is 60k more damage, faggot.
  
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lern 2 ddo, i don't have the inclination to educate you.
  
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lern 2 ddo, i don't have the inclination to educate you.

At this point, I'm prepared to believe Jakeelala before you.

Yeah, you read that right.
  

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Reply #16 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 1:16pm
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Learn to play ddo, I don't have the ability to educate you.

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heard it here first!  best player ever just quit the game (me),


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[] wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 5:26pm:
i'm dead serious about quitting; done.



[] wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 2:13pm:
I said I was quitting the game, and I did;


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Reply #17 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 1:23pm
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I've literally just been playing about with this, personally I would go capstone in DWS, as there's less fluff in the tree. Extra 8 points could be spent in Harper to pick up KTA. Even with minimal gear investment you should be able to pick up +5 damage basically permanently. Something like:

Arcane Archer (31 AP)
  • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows
  • Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Corrosive Arrows
  • Force Arrows III, Elemental Damage
  • Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Elemental Damage
  • Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Elemental Damage

Deepwood Stalker (41 AP)
  • Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot, Advanced Sneak Attack, Mark of the Hunted, Horizon Shot
  • Favored Defense III, Stealthy III, Increased Empathy III, Versatile Empathy II
  • Survivalist, Melee/Range Power Boost III
  • Survivalist, Thrill of the Hunt I, Favored Hunter III
  • Survivalist, Killer III
  • Extra Favored Enemy: Dragon, Heavy Draw, Strikes Like Lightning, Improved Archer's Focus

Harper Agent (8 AP)
  • Agent of Good I
  • Harper Enchantment, Traveler's Toughness II
  • Know the Angles III


If you want to go dex-based you could shuffle some points around to fit in the stat boosts, but I'm pretty sure you can still get more strength than dex.
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Reply #18 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 1:27pm
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elven racial gives you +4 dam, +4 hit

fvs favored weapons gives you +4 dam, +4 hit; inflame buff for another +4 damn, +4 hit

fighter kansai gives you +4 dam, +4 hit (and a crit modifier to all your shots)  along with weapon meditation (up to +10 damage)

you're giving up +26 damage from other trees by fucking around with that deepwoods shit; +29 if you caount the crit damage bonus (+3, I think...)



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[] wrote on Oct 27th, 2015 at 1:27pm:
[] wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 5:28pm:
heard it here first!  best player ever just quit the game (me),


[] wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 2:14pm:
[] wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 5:26pm:
i'm dead serious about quitting; done.



[] wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 2:13pm:
I said I was quitting the game, and I did;


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[] wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 11:02am:
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Reply #20 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 2:14pm
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Technomage wrote on Oct 27th, 2015 at 1:10pm:
At this point, I'm prepared to believe Jakeelala before you.

Yeah, you read that right.


no need to be rude to me. just because you've let yourself be caught up in a bunch of newbie 4chan shit talk here on DDOVault, I have a long history of doing lots of testing and math on builds. I've always been striving to contribute constructively to knowledge on building things in DDO, regardless of whether or not I'm always right.

The character assassination of me here is overdone.
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Reply #21 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 2:16pm
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[] wrote on Oct 27th, 2015 at 1:27pm:
elven racial gives you +4 dam, +4 hit

fvs favored weapons gives you +4 dam, +4 hit; inflame buff for another +4 damn, +4 hit

fighter kansai gives you +4 dam, +4 hit (and a crit modifier to all your shots)  along with weapon meditation (up to +10 damage)

you're giving up +26 damage from other trees by fucking around with that deepwoods shit; +29 if you caount the crit damage bonus (+3, I think...)





As soon as you wrote weapon mediation, you lost all credibility.
  
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Reply #22 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 2:19pm
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 27th, 2015 at 2:14pm:
no need to be rude to me. just because you've let yourself be caught up in a bunch of newbie 4chan shit talk here on DDOVault, I have a long history of making false claims and trying to back them up with single screenshots

The character assassination of me here is overdue.



FTFY   

I would appreciate if you could make another post trying claim credit so I can substitute how you get your data from others.

Tell us, do you remember when you were trying to shit on the posters who were doing testing? how you got all bent out of shape because they were doing full runs? 
  
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I would appreciate if you could make another post trying claim credit so I can substitute how you get your data from others.

Tell us, do you remember when you were trying to shit on the posters who were doing testing? how you got all bent out of shape because they were doing full runs? 


why dont you go back to spamming the forums with useless shit which is all you're good for.
  
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