noamineo wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 12:01pm:


Guild Wars?

Goon wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 4:07pm:


If you give a mouse a cookie...

But yeah, GW isn't very similar to DDO. Its largely a PvP game, which makes adding a number to the end a lot easier(How many iterations of Street Fighter are there now?) But yes, GW2 would definitely be considered successful.

I still maintain that making a DDO 2 is the worst idea anyone has ever had. Ever.

Goon wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 4:31pm:


The underlying game system is definitely very unique, but then the same is true for most MMOs. We are talking about trying to compare things that are only very, very, very lousily related.

But it's those exact traits you describe that make the concept of a "DDO 2" even worse. Blizzard could get away with making a "World of Warcraft 2" and probably make it popular because WoW nerds like to believe WoW actually has a story. Each expansion "Continued the story" so yeah, you could make a sequel and just make it an expansion where everyone starts off back at lvl 1.

Also, Final Fantasy XIV 2.0 doesn't really count, Final Fantasy XIV was an abysmal failure. 2.0 Was basically them trying again - the original was basically a rushed beta.

The main problem is that random loot is so incredibly random - the odds of actually picking up anything good are slim to none.

Then it gets completely blown out of the water by named loot.

Its not that there ISN'T anything good, its that the odds of finding something good that fits into in available slot are so small no one even bothers. I keep finding really amazing stuff and trying to sell it, and no one will buy it. No one's looking. No one wants it.

totally wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:38am:

QFT. Sad, sad truth.

noamineo wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 5:41pm:

I tend to agree.  The days of pulling Wounding of Puncturing or Vorpals and having them be the best items is long gone.  The only loot gen stuff I wear these days are the convalescence of superior parrying bracers.  I have them in 20, 40, and 60 heal amp varieties.

Asheras wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:51pm:


Secondary problem is that lootgen items cover such a narrow band of things these days. If lootgen could once again cover a wider band of things with inferior numbers to named, then the odd build could indeed be expected to slot in that one freakishly-weird item that makes an otherwise-impossible named gearset not work.

Asheras wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:51pm:



Too bad they don't drop anymore, either.

I've been going through the caches of various parked characters, and finding all sorts of neat stuff (aside from the multiple enchantments I grieved for above) that just doesn't drop any more.

+4 Banishing of Greater Elemental Bane
ML10-12 Banishers, Smiters and Disrupters
Race Restricted gear

I have a couple of niceish levelling items that are lootgen. Notable are ML7 +6 stat items (masterful and cursed), various +6 items with one or two augment slots at ml13 and 15. Although to be honest, the stuff at 13 and 15 doesn't get used as much any more due to the new U27 and 28 stuff.

totally wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:36am:


I just started pulling some of that gear on a recent ITR.  It is replacing a lot of the VoD/Hound/Sora Kell stuff that I was using on several characters in this level range.

Starkjade wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:07am:

Agreed. All those cool new prefixes and suffixes like "of a Thousand Suns" made lootgen stuff much more interesting than it is now.

Technomage wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:12am:



There are still a few of them around, but none of the really cool ones.

I've seen Tidal fairly often, and Debilitating just recently, as I said.

I still have a few Lacerating and the like kicking around, (some with Guild slots!)  mostly for trade bait (I'm also waiting for something worth trading for!)