Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 [2]  Send TopicPrint
Hot Topic (More than 35 Replies) Official Kensai stuff (Read 14241 times)
Artorias
Shroud Slacker
***
Offline



Posts: 1223
Joined: Mar 21st, 2015
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #25 - Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:50pm
Print Post  
My point is: Balance in the game is long gone anyway. Fighters are like the only melee class who gets absolutely nothing in terms of healing (excluding rogue who have umd as skill class and can use wands and scrolls). Potion effectiveness isn't going to work in the long run. The game is already broken and every class has everything so they may as well give something to fighters too.

If that is not going to happen, patience, I will simply multiclass and something about it (I have no intention on playing a pure fighter anyway)

PS: The game in heroic can still be a challenge. You guys may be triple completionists or something but people with few or no past lifes and no optimal gear playing on elite will definitely struggle trough some quests. As the abbot says: "let's see how you fare without your toys"  Tongue
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Asheras
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


This is why we can't have
nice things.

Posts: 10230
Location: Ohio
Joined: Jun 9th, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #26 - Apr 9th, 2016 at 5:02pm
Print Post  
Artorias wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:50pm:
. You guys may be triple completionists or something but people with few or no past lifes and no optimal gear playing on elite will definitely struggle trough some quests. As the abbot says: "let's see how you fare without your toys"  Tongue


I do not think they should design the classes so that players with no past lives can solo elite content.  You should struggle on elite content on a first life toon with no gear.  If you are playing a fighter, you should probably need a hireling, or group up, or multi-class in some self healing.  I'm not looking for the game to be that easy. 


 
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Rubbinns
The Undeserving Fuckwit
*
Offline


I Love Drama!

Posts: 10460
Joined: Sep 4th, 2013
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #27 - Apr 9th, 2016 at 6:18pm
Print Post  
Artorias wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:50pm:
The game in heroic can still be a challenge. You guys may be triple completionists or something but people with few or no past lifes and no optimal gear playing on elite will definitely struggle trough some quests.

I just did 3 first life toons, no tomes, 2 of them were 28 point builds!, no resources, all the way to 30 cap. A mech, a shiradi, and warlock. The warlock was lol, i was on thelanis out killing people with trip comp toons and never died. Even did storm horns at lv 16. The mech and shiradi are more recent and on orien.

The only struggle was  new amrath and new meridia.
  

Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
DDOcrackhead
Stormreaver Piker
*
Offline


Worlds: Khyber, Wayfinder

Posts: 523
Joined: Aug 29th, 2013
Gender: Male
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #28 - Apr 9th, 2016 at 7:35pm
Print Post  
Rubbinns wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 6:18pm:
I just did 3 first life toons, no tomes, 2 of them were 28 point builds!, no resources, all the way to 30 cap. A mech, a shiradi, and warlock. The warlock was lol, i was on thelanis out killing people with trip comp toons and never died. Even did storm horns at lv 16. The mech and shiradi are more recent and on orien.


  


***TWF-Kalashtar, 1-st hand: Nerf-hammer, 2-nd hand: Troll-hammer. Intimidate 500. Bluff 600***
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Artorias
Shroud Slacker
***
Offline



Posts: 1223
Joined: Mar 21st, 2015
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #29 - Apr 9th, 2016 at 8:01pm
Print Post  
Rubbinns wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 6:18pm:
I just did 3 first life toons, no tomes, 2 of them were 28 point builds!, no resources, all the way to 30 cap. A mech, a shiradi, and warlock. The warlock was lol, i was on thelanis out killing people with trip comp toons and never died. Even did storm horns at lv 16. The mech and shiradi are more recent and on orien.

The only struggle was  new amrath and new meridia.



Can you do it with a FvS? Monk? Fighter? maybe assassin rogue or TA?

My dead grandma can roflstomp trough content using a warlock. Mind you, I know you're EE capable but you may be a bit more convincing using a class that is a bit more close to the current version of a fighter (that means no barb or pally).

@Asheras: Too late for that, sorry. Normally I'd agree with you but I've personally seen bards gimp bards dancing things in EE and coup de grace them. As I wrote the balance and easy button train has long sailed and EVERY revamped class got some love to some extent. I like the new fighter but a little more love on the healing side would be appreciated. Then again it's not a problem since I've never actually seen a pure fighter (has anyone ever rolled one????).


Maybe they know this and that's why they're not bothering with it
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
palmer01
VoD Slasher
*****
Offline


Paladin Slayer

Posts: 1737
Location: Los Angeles
Joined: Apr 14th, 2015
Gender: Male
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #30 - Apr 9th, 2016 at 9:18pm
Print Post  
I have rolled pure fighters but I used halings with dragonmarks. Put enough points into umd and you can roll a halfling, dragonmark-scroll casting-pot chugging fighter.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Bigjunk
Horoluth Raider
****
Offline


Hjeal meh!

Posts: 2686
Joined: Feb 2nd, 2011
Gender: Male
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #31 - Apr 9th, 2016 at 10:15pm
Print Post  
AC works well enough in heroics that you barely get hit.   Drink some CSW pots and stop whining.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Rubbinns
The Undeserving Fuckwit
*
Offline


I Love Drama!

Posts: 10460
Joined: Sep 4th, 2013
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #32 - Apr 9th, 2016 at 11:03pm
Print Post  
Artorias wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 8:01pm:
FvS? Monk? Fighter? maybe assassin rogue or TA?

1st life, no plat for pots, scrolls, gear, tomes.
1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. yes
5. yes
6. yes
7. yes
8. yes
9. yes
10. yes
11. yes
12. yes
13. yes
14. yes
« Last Edit: Apr 9th, 2016 at 11:04pm by Rubbinns »  

Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Asheras
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline


This is why we can't have
nice things.

Posts: 10230
Location: Ohio
Joined: Jun 9th, 2010
Gender: Male
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #33 - Apr 9th, 2016 at 11:04pm
Print Post  
Artorias wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 8:01pm:
Can you do it with a FvS? Monk? Fighter? maybe assassin rogue or TA?

My dead grandma can roflstomp trough content using a warlock. Mind you, I know you're EE capable but you may be a bit more convincing using a class that is a bit more close to the current version of a fighter (that means no barb or pally).

@Asheras: Too late for that, sorry. Normally I'd agree with you but I've personally seen bards gimp bards dancing things in EE and coup de grace them. As I wrote the balance and easy button train has long sailed and EVERY revamped class got some love to some extent. I like the new fighter but a little more love on the healing side would be appreciated. Then again it's not a problem since I've never actually seen a pure fighter (has anyone ever rolled one????).


Maybe they know this and that's why they're not bothering with it


Rubbinns is a solid player.  A solid player can play any class pure to heroic cap with minimal issues.  An FvS would be slower, but is actually just as easy as a warlock.  The boss DPS is just low.  But you won't die.  Ever.  Unless you run into a quell without intercession ward and left your pots in the bank, maybe. 

A monk would own heroics, but struggle in epics.  A fighter the same. 
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
kum-gulp
VoD Slasher
*****
Offline


I Love Tired Vault Memes!

Posts: 1812
Joined: Jul 16th, 2010
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #34 - Apr 10th, 2016 at 11:17am
Print Post  
Wipe wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:41pm:
But hey, it's an "update" and keeps the sheep happy.

I see now, looking back, why they changed the terminology to "update".
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
kum-gulp
VoD Slasher
*****
Offline


I Love Tired Vault Memes!

Posts: 1812
Joined: Jul 16th, 2010
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #35 - Apr 10th, 2016 at 11:21am
Print Post  
Rubbinns wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 6:18pm:
thelanis

Are you local? We'll have no trouble here.

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
kum-gulp
VoD Slasher
*****
Offline


I Love Tired Vault Memes!

Posts: 1812
Joined: Jul 16th, 2010
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #36 - Apr 10th, 2016 at 11:22am
Print Post  
palmer01 wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 9:18pm:
I have rolled pure fighters but I used halings with dragonmarks. Put enough points into umd and you can roll a halfling, dragonmark-scroll casting-pot chugging fighter.

I like to smash three random fingers with a hammer before I play too.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Revaulting
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline



Posts: 10143
Location: Not in my pants
Joined: Apr 3rd, 2014
Gender: Male
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #37 - Apr 10th, 2016 at 4:46pm
Print Post  
kum-gulp wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 11:22am:
I like to smash three random fingers with a hammer before I play too.

Random fingers are the worst.
  

Silence is golden, but I only get silver rolls.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Digimonk
Puppy Farmer
****
Offline



Posts: 1573
Joined: Apr 7th, 2015
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #38 - Apr 11th, 2016 at 1:13pm
Print Post  
Artorias wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:50pm:
PS: The game in heroic can still be a challenge. You guys may be triple completionists or something but people with few or no past lifes and no optimal gear playing on elite will definitely struggle trough some quests. As the abbot says: "let's see how you fare without your toys"  Tongue

Most anything can be a challenge if you intentionally do it wrong or choose the hardest path.  Warlocks are an easy button, sure, but there are plenty of other classes and builds that can do just fine as a first lifer in Heroic Elite.

Try rolling a 12/6/2 ranger/rogue/artie and running with repeating xbows.  Level ups are 1 rogue, 2-3 artie, 4-15 ranger, 16-20 rogue.  In the lower heroics, spend points for the AA acid or electric imbues and slot a level-appropriate RNG spellpower item to make random repeater a one or two shot killing machine. 

Once you get enough enhancement points, reset the trees and take the relevant tier 5s in DWS and then start filling up AA for the elemental arrow imbues again.  Once you get your 4th rogue level, get Fletching in the Mechanic tree.  Put the rest into the AA imbues and spellpower.

This build requires very little self healing because mobs don't live long enough to get close in heroics.  It has evasion, decent saves and can do traps.  It has respectable amounts of ranged power and doubleshot, decent SA die, and solid imbue damage with the runearm imbues as a bonus.  It has Sniper Shot, Head Shot, Merciful Shot, Leg Shot, Aimed Shot and Assassin's Trick for activated attacks that mow down entire lines of trash with IPS.

I solo'd the Amrath missions at level on heroic elite with this build on a first life SDK wearing the default SDK gear.  Personally, I think this build soloed them easier than a Warlock.

As a bonus, this build can easily switch the enhancements around to take T5 in Mechanic and use great crossbows for Epic content if/when the relative DPS of the elemental imbues and repeaters starts fading.
« Last Edit: Apr 11th, 2016 at 1:18pm by Digimonk »  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Revaulting
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline



Posts: 10143
Location: Not in my pants
Joined: Apr 3rd, 2014
Gender: Male
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #39 - Apr 11th, 2016 at 8:26pm
Print Post  
Digimonk wrote on Apr 11th, 2016 at 1:13pm:
Try rolling a bla bla repeating xbows. Bla bla....

That's a lot of effort just to slaughter heroics.

Here's the TL;DR: Pick up a repeater.
  

Silence is golden, but I only get silver rolls.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Digimonk
Puppy Farmer
****
Offline



Posts: 1573
Joined: Apr 7th, 2015
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #40 - Apr 11th, 2016 at 10:43pm
Print Post  
Revaulting wrote on Apr 11th, 2016 at 8:26pm:
That's a lot of effort just to slaughter heroics.

Here's the TL;DR: Pick up a repeater.

You are correct but I figured it needed spelling out since the window licker thinks that Warlocks are the only way for a first lifer to roll through heroics.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Artorias
Shroud Slacker
***
Offline



Posts: 1223
Joined: Mar 21st, 2015
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #41 - Apr 12th, 2016 at 4:26am
Print Post  
On my 9th life toon building monk past life I've trashed HE content. There were a few times when I had to use a pot or two when facing 4 or 5 champs at the same time (I soloed pretty much everything). I agree with most of what you guys wrote so far except for the fact that you make it look like it's flower sniffing. Should've have explained a bit better but yeah, I was soloing on purpose to see how far I could go alone.
« Last Edit: Apr 12th, 2016 at 4:27am by Artorias »  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Bigjunk
Horoluth Raider
****
Offline


Hjeal meh!

Posts: 2686
Joined: Feb 2nd, 2011
Gender: Male
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #42 - Apr 12th, 2016 at 9:11am
Print Post  
Power Surge is now + 8 to all stats, interesting.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Technomage
Epic Poster
*****
Offline


And so it begins...

Posts: 4444
Location: Tucson, AZ
Joined: Aug 27th, 2015
Gender: Male
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #43 - Apr 12th, 2016 at 12:28pm
Print Post  
Bigjunk wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 9:11am:
Power Surge is now + 8 to all stats, interesting.

Yes, and the timer for it is shorter than its duration.  Wink
  

Do not try the patience of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger.

We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner, holographic demons and invocation of equations. These are the tools we employ, and we know many things.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Revaulting
Completionist (i.t.p.)
******
Offline



Posts: 10143
Location: Not in my pants
Joined: Apr 3rd, 2014
Gender: Male
Re: Official Kensai stuff
Reply #44 - Apr 12th, 2016 at 4:33pm
Print Post  
Technomage wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 12:28pm:
Yes, and the timer for it is shorter than its duration. 

Unless you're interrupted while activating it. In that case its duration is zero. Don't worry though, you can still probably activate the cooldown.
  

Silence is golden, but I only get silver rolls.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 [2] 
Send TopicPrint