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Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:16pm
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Even during this piece of shit Black Friday sale. Because of huge whales, sons of Saudi Arabian oil barons or just a twink trickster cocksucker, Qhuayl-WHORE really gave up the ghost in how people on the PC and in the disintegrating circle jerk play the game.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/481117-Compare-last-year-s-Black-Frida...

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one thing I'm going to point out and it pains me to say this if you know my posting background at all. last night I figured out on average how much TP I spend during a TR life. most of the time I buy 20% xp pots and rogue hires for the extra xp in quests I feel its worth having one. on average I spend 7400 TP on just those 2 things during a heroic life and 3000-3500 TP during an epic life. at 4995 plus all the extra stuff you get for buying the boxes, its a steal for me and anyone else who might also spend a bunch of TP trying to help level their character. maybe not so much for the epic box since you don't level as far as a heroic one does, but the smart way to spend my money is to just buy heroic boxes and skip past most of the levels. Turbine really needs to take a look at their product cost because some just don't make sense and the price just continues to rise year after year. the Black Fridays sales were also underwhelming to me too, but these boxes alone are very good bargain buys for the TR.

I admit I thought DDO was going to get sunk by the end of Summer. I thought the Slavelords pack was going to be complete and utter shit. I came back to play and I was pleasantly shocked to see the vast improvements I could only chalk up to the huge layoffs Turbine made over the Summer. I genuinely felt like there was a chance DDO could make a comeback. If any dying MMO could do it, the people still playing could make it happen.

The grind for the Slavelords was taking it's toll. Then came the lack of proper implementation. Then it seemed like the remaining devs were going out of their way to fuck things up. After 3 weeks ago and the ridiculous 14 hour downtime it has been a constant reminder of the last 2 year shit show. They had it working well. People were generating positive outlooks for the first time in over 2 years, now with this abysmal Black Friday sale paired with more server reboots in the last 2 weeks than in the entire last quarter just makes me wonder what kind of drugs they must be doing at Turbine and they're obviously not sharing with the people working on the damn thing.

I'm not angry like I was anymore. I kinda find it hilarious especially seeing the huge differences in the fiefdom pre and post Summer layoffs. Vargouille seems to have either been shit-canned or left, Steel-SHIT is still making like he knows what the fuck to do, and Cordo-stain is now pulling DDO/LOTRO double duty in a broom closet and shows not only egregious ineptitude but confirmation he's not getting properly informed on basic Turbine/DDO events and sales. Something glorious happened over the Summer and for a brief moment it was a step in a good direction. Now it seems they're back to the old games but this time I've seen people get wise and have already let them know they're not going to play, whether it's on the forums, paying to win or just believing the bullshit. I'm glad to be back, I'm happy I was proven wrong and hope we get another shakeup in the near future like this.
  
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I will NEVER regret telling that piss ant what I thought about him.  I offended him so much he left the guild. 

Now I understand how the hell he ever got enough xp to TR.  It always confused me that any time I was on, if I happened to look, Qhualwhore would be either on the ship or standing in the market.  It still took him 3 or 4 weeks to squeak out a heroic life, even with his apparent use of stones.
  
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10,000 TP(heroic + epic) is fuck retardedly ridiculous. How the fuck do you spend that much?! Buying constant gold seal hires and always running an XP pot? That's so crazy.

I bet he just solos everything and takes forever. Just pugging is so much faster XP.
  

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For annoying sons of bitches like him i have the policy of just squelching/ignoring their crap and silently thanking them for spending so much money  on the game. If fucktards like them didnt exist we wouldnt have this game, half assed as it is.

The bad thing comes when they get into council...
  
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Reyes. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:32pm:
. If fucktards like them didnt exist we wouldnt have this game, half assed as it is.



this is definitely true. i get so annoyed when i run into people who are like "i dont spend money on games" ok sure im paying for your game play experience youre welcome.
  

I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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You missed the real headline:

Qhualor wrote: Quote:
someone needs to hold the torch when I quit sometime in the next 6 months. I would suspect too big of a dip if everyone caught on to splashing rogue.


After Q made that rather suspect claim he was followed by none other than Uska.

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Same boat but my ends tomorrow and I wont renew I am done 10 years is enough but I would have stayed if they had done a lot different but they went with power creep and escalation and its not for me.


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You missed the real headline:

Qhualor wrote:

After Q made that rather suspect claim he was followed by none other than Uska.

Uska wrote:

Roll Eyes


Oh no, I didn't miss it, I'm just not buying that line of absolute horseshit. He might not play as much but you bet your ass he will continue playing the forums. Uska sphincter spelunker right behind him.   Wink
  
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on average I spend 7400 TP on just those 2 things during a heroic life and 3000-3500 TP during an epic life. at 4995 plus all the extra stuff you get for buying the boxes...these boxes alone are very good bargain buys for the TR.


What the fuck?
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 27th, 2016 at 1:13pm
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Woah woah woah woah woah

now i dont want to detract from novalis underlying points, most of which are accurate. Queerlor is undoubtedly proven to be gay and retarded by demonstration. I'm not denying any of the facts in his post. However

Novalis wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:16pm:
Even during this piece of shit Black Friday sale. Because of huge whales, sons of Saudi Arabian oil barons or just a twink trickster cocksucker, Qhuayl-WHORE really gave up the ghost in how people on the PC and in the disintegrating circle jerk play the game.


while the sentence structure is a little confounding, i think the main idea of this paragraph is to express the anger of the OP, regarding the playing habits of other people, and his dissatisfaction with the sale. The logical conclusion here being that, if other people altered their play style to one more aligned with the OP, he would be less angry. Furthermore, if the sales aligned more with the OP's desires, he would be less angry. We have undoubtedly established he is angry and a path to less anger does exist through getting what he wants. The anger is a result of not getting what he wants

Novalis wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:16pm:
I admit I thought DDO was going to get sunk by the end of Summer. I thought the Slavelords pack was going to be complete and utter shit. I came back to play and I was pleasantly shocked to see the vast improvements I could only chalk up to the huge layoffs Turbine made over the Summer. I genuinely felt like there was a chance DDO could make a comeback. If any dying MMO could do it, the people still playing could make it happen.


yes. we all remember the week of novalis threads where you shitposted gloom and doom about a completely garbage game finally ending once and for all 101% guaranteed this time its for real. You were 100% wrong. the only thing that ended predictably that day were your continued posting habits. But this paragraph includes far more ignorance than just the aforementioned. Look at the back pedaling, the false hope, and total disconnect from reality between his original opinion and the drastic post-opinion opinions. Ill requote it just so you can cringe again:

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I came back to play and I was pleasantly shocked to see the vast improvements I could only chalk up to the huge layoffs Turbine made over the Summer. I genuinely felt like there was a chance DDO could make a comeback.


I mean look how fucking full of shit this guy is. Pleasantly shocked, vast improvements, that you personally chalk up to anything.. how full of your own shit are you. i genuinely feel like your head is so far up your ass that you can see through your nostrils

Novalis wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:16pm:
The grind for the Slavelords was taking it's toll. Then came the lack of proper implementation. Then it seemed like the remaining devs were going out of their way to fuck things up. After 3 weeks ago and the ridiculous 14 hour downtime it has been a constant reminder of the last 2 year shit show. They had it working well. People were generating positive outlooks for the first time in over 2 years, now with this abysmal Black Friday sale paired with more server reboots in the last 2 weeks than in the entire last quarter just makes me wonder what kind of drugs they must be doing at Turbine and they're obviously not sharing with the people working on the damn thing.


At what point did the slavelords grind change from Super mega awesome to "toll taking" and how long did it take for you to recognize the taste of that turd? How many licks did it take to get to the center of that tartsie pop? How much later was it that you came across the alleged lack of "proper implementation" Did you find that in a corner or hidden under your bed character-sheets? Immediately after this amass of conclusions hit your face square on, which remaining devs from what reduced pool from what previously undescribed event went out of their way to hurt your experience, and how? Its the same shit that its ALWAYS BEEN. you claim this sudden rebirth revolution of positivity but in reality its just the same people who were mad about last may's lag, overreacting to that lag being reduced. a shitty sale and a reboot changed nothing for anyone except those directly negatively affected by the sale: people who WANTED TO SPEND THAT MONEY ON TURBINE HURR DURR.

Novalis wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:16pm:
I'm not angry like I was anymore. I kinda find it hilarious especially seeing the huge differences in the fiefdom pre and post Summer layoffs. Vargouille seems to have either been shit-canned or left, Steel-SHIT is still making like he knows what the fuck to do, and Cordo-stain is now pulling DDO/LOTRO double duty in a broom closet and shows not only egregious ineptitude but confirmation he's not getting properly informed on basic Turbine/DDO events and sales. Something glorious happened over the Summer and for a brief moment it was a step in a good direction. Now it seems they're back to the old games but this time I've seen people get wise and have already let them know they're not going to play, whether it's on the forums, paying to win or just believing the bullshit. I'm glad to be back, I'm happy I was proven wrong and hope we get another shakeup in the near future like this.


So while you admit to previous anger, you deny today's. you cite the changes in my boy vargouille's posting habits and steelstars dogshit elementary school content and a forum janitor as the explanations for this change. And you believe the event that precluded and caused this was "glorious" and a step in the right direction. Until it wasnt- but that is OK because THIS TIME ITS DIFFERENT.

get over yourself- you and i are as much of the problem as queerlor. if you dont like the platform than stop being one of its consumers.


  

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on average I spend 7400 TP on just those 2 things during a heroic life and 3000-3500 TP during an epic life. at 4995 plus all the extra stuff you get for buying the boxes...these boxes alone are very good bargain buys for the TR.

What the fuck?

He tried the lower difficulty.
  
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I dont get why qualor is buying points and ottos boxes if he is planning on quitting in 6 'moths.  That seems weird.  If I was upset with the game I'd stop playing.  Now.  Not in 6 months.  Just because the SUb isn't up, who cares?  And I'd really not invest more money in a game I wasn't enjoying

I also don't get the "10 years is long enough" concept Uska mentions.  I've heard that before.  But I don't get it.  If you are having fun, play the game.  If you aren't, don't.  It doesn't matter if you have been playing for 10 days, 10 months or 10 years.  But I guess everyone gets to make their own choice and rationalize it however they want. 

  
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Just when I didn't think I could find a person to be this retarded, Qualor sets a new record.
  
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Reyes. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:32pm:
If fucktards like them didnt exist we wouldnt have this game, half assed as it is.


While I see your point, I think it's more like the parents who keep buying their spoiled brat unemployed kids cars and giving them spending money. The kids never get jobs, never contribute to society, they just leach because they can. If guys like that told Turbine enough with the crap and the power creep, do it right or I'm not paying you, we wouldn't have the half assed game we have, we'd have a decent game, maybe even an excellent game. It's a bit dinged up now, but it's got a solid frame and could be star under competent leadership.

Let Turbine hit rock bottom, and let them know we'll be there for them when they get their act together. Paying them for their current level of service isn't helping anybody.
  

Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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In other words, a simple, "you were wrong" would have been sufficient.
  

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Meursault wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 8:50am:
While I see your point, I think it's more like the parents who keep buying their spoiled brat unemployed kids cars and giving them spending money. The kids never get jobs, never contribute to society, they just leach because they can. If guys like that told Turbine enough with the crap and the power creep, do it right or I'm not paying you, we wouldn't have the half assed game we have, we'd have a decent game, maybe even an excellent game. It's a bit dinged up now, but it's got a solid frame and could be star under competent leadership.

Let Turbine hit rock bottom, and let them know we'll be there for them when they get their act together. Paying them for their current level of service isn't helping anybody.


Wrong.  This might be solid advice for parenting young adults with a failure to launch, but it doesn't work with for profit corporations.  Parents and unconditional love are one of the few places that you can expect them to operate in the way you are describing.  You can't apply it to the relationship between customer and game company. 

If the players that are paying $$ stop doing so and the game becomes unprofitable, they don't decide to release a new, better update that gets you back.  Even if you say you will come back if they make the investment.  They will just close it down.  10 year old games don't get second and third chances at returning to profitability.  The trend line in games is that the line only goes down over time. 

How many crappy shows with really bad ratings get renewed on the chance that they can reinvent themselves into a good show in season 2 and attract more viewers?  Almost none.  Crappy shows just get cancelled. 

When a product can no longer pay the bills, the owner does not decide to put MORE money into it and take it further into the red in the hopes that it will not only recover the additional investment but also overcome the original deficit and get into the black.  And stay there long enough to yield an acceptable return.

The best you could hope for is that people stop paying, the game shuts down, and the Turbine employees learn the lesson you describe and apply it at their next job or project.  None of which would be a D&D MMO.
  
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Wrong.  This might be solid advice for parenting young adults with a failure to launch, but it doesn't work with for profit corporations.  Parents and unconditional love are one of the few places that you can expect them to operate in the way you are describing.  You can't apply it to the relationship between customer and game company. 

If the players that are paying $$ stop doing so and the game becomes unprofitable, they don't decide to release a new, better update that gets you back.  Even if you say you will come back if they make the investment.  They will just close it down.  10 year old games don't get second and third chances at returning to profitability.  The trend line in games is that the line only goes down over time. 

How many crappy shows with really bad ratings get renewed on the chance that they can reinvent themselves into a good show in season 2 and attract more viewers?  Almost none.  Crappy shows just get cancelled. 

When a product can no longer pay the bills, the owner does not decide to put MORE money into it and take it further into the red in the hopes that it will not only recover the additional investment but also overcome the original deficit and get into the black.  And stay there long enough to yield an acceptable return.

The best you could hope for is that people stop paying, the game shuts down, and the Turbine employees learn the lesson you describe and apply it at their next job or project.  None of which would be a D&D MMO. 


Of course it works with for profit corporations, you're old enough to remember cars in the 70s. Did Ford shut down, or did they invest in quality control? They even had a catchy slogan "Quality is job one".

Or how about the switch to SUVs when people weren't buying station wagons? I can hear you thinking "but gaming companies are different" and you are right, they are - they are *easier* to change! Changing an assembly line requires new tooling, new equipment, and coordinating with a new supply chain, changing software uses all the same equipment and setup.

The real world is full of examples of for profit companies changing their approach when customers stop responding to the old one.

I agree that if everyone stopped all at once it might be enough to crash them, but that level of coordination is unlikely.

I also agree that Turbine might be stubborn enough to see a trend and run DDO into the ground anyway. I think at least a few people there would like a way to gracefully get out of DDO and onto something more fun for them and going under would answer that need.

But even a half way competent for profit company can change when "the way we do things here" stops working.
  

Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Of course it works with for profit corporations, you're old enough to remember cars in the 70s. Did Ford shut down, or did they invest in quality control? They even had a catchy slogan "Quality is job one".

Or how about the switch to SUVs when people weren't buying station wagons? I can hear you thinking "but gaming companies are different" and you are right, they are - they are *easier* to change! Changing an assembly line requires new tooling, new equipment, and coordinating with a new supply chain, changing software uses all the same equipment and setup.

The real world is full of examples of for profit companies changing their approach when customers stop responding to the old one.

I agree that if everyone stopped all at once it might be enough to crash them, but that level of coordination is unlikely.

I also agree that Turbine might be stubborn enough to see a trend and run DDO into the ground anyway. I think at least a few people there would like a way to gracefully get out of DDO and onto something more fun for them and going under would answer that need.

But even a half way competent for profit company can change when "the way we do things here" stops working.


In the Ford/Car Company analogy:  Car companies did drop station wagons for SUV's.  In this regard, DDO is the station wagon that will be dropped and mobile gaming is the SUV.  Turbine has already made this pivot.  They haven't cancelled their station wagon production entirely, as long as the line is selling well enough to justify production costs, but if the sales dip...they aren't re-releasing a new model of station wagon.  They just discontinue the product.

The gaming market has pivoted away from PC Gaming to consoles and mobile.  Much as the car market pivoted away from the station wagon or the gas guzzler or the muscle car at various times.




  
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DDO is doomed and they know it well, that's why they don't give a fuck about long term. All they want is to get as much cash they can get before shutting it down. If they can make 200 in 2 years and shut down better than getting 500 over 10 more years beacuse they know the game won't last that long no matter what they do. As long as there are turds like qualor the game will keep going and it will do the way it is now:  a game for returds, once dis fuckturds leave the game is down. You seem to fail to understand that; fagots. Only fucktards and no-lifers remain playing this crap  Wink In which category you fit better IDGAF...  Grin Grin Grin
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Novalis wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:16pm:
Even during this piece of shit Black Friday sale. Because of huge whales, sons of Saudi Arabian oil barons or just a twink trickster cocksucker, Qhuayl-WHORE really gave up the ghost in how people on the PC and in the disintegrating circle jerk play the game.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/481117-Compare-last-year-s-Black-Frida...

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one thing I'm going to point out and it pains me to say this if you know my posting background at all. last night I figured out on average how much TP I spend during a TR life. most of the time I buy 20% xp pots and rogue hires for the extra xp in quests I feel its worth having one. on average I spend 7400 TP on just those 2 things during a heroic life and 3000-3500 TP during an epic life. at 4995 plus all the extra stuff you get for buying the boxes, its a steal for me and anyone else who might also spend a bunch of TP trying to help level their character. maybe not so much for the epic box since you don't level as far as a heroic one does, but the smart way to spend my money is to just buy heroic boxes and skip past most of the levels. Turbine really needs to take a look at their product cost because some just don't make sense and the price just continues to rise year after year. the Black Fridays sales were also underwhelming to me too, but these boxes alone are very good bargain buys for the TR.



Holy crap, that is a ton of tps.
  
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Re: Now I know why DDO is still around...
Reply #24 - Nov 29th, 2016 at 8:33am
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Holy crap, that is a ton of tps.


  
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