harharharhar wrote on Apr 5^th, 2017 at 11:07am:

10ks is definitely sweet, but I don't consider it a "core" requirement for a shuri build.  You can run a perfectly viable shuri build without 10ks.   Hard to build one that's not junk without ANT and shuriken expertise though.

It's good to know that the Kensai stuff is all working with shurikens now.  May have to tinker with that at some point. 

While Assassin's Trick is decent, I could take or leave it and don't really think it's worth splashing 6 rogue.  For mobs that are 100% immune to SA without Assassin's Trick, that's what Adrenalined Sniper Shots are for.

I ran a SA focused shuri build in Shadowdancer.  It was really good at killing trash, but sucked at bosses and burst damage.  FotW shuri builds may be less trash DPS but they're still more than enough plus they wreck red nameds unlike Shadowdancers.

I agree with Jak that giving up Sniper Shot is a really bad choice.  Sniper Shot is a baby Slaying Arrow every 6s.  I'd give up Slaying Arrow before Sniper Shot, hands down. 

I ran a 12 ranger, 6 monk, 2 fighter T5 DWS shuri without Slaying Arrow for a while and it was really, really good.  The crit threat range from the lvl 12 DWS core made up a bit of the difference versus Slaying Arrow.  Head Shot + Merciful Shot was also a really nice combo.

DoRayEgon wrote on Apr 5^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

Or just roll with both.  Here's a quick theory crafted T5 Kensai theory-crafted shuriken build put together while considering what could be done with the Kensai stuff.  Little less red named DPS due to the lack of Slaying Arrow, but should be really good trash DPS due to all the activated attacks and the increased threat range and multi.

Fighter Monk Ranger
8/6/6 Fighter/Ranger/Monk
Lawful Good Elf


Level Order

1. Ranger          6. Ranger         11. Monk           16. Fighter
2. Ranger          7. Monk           12. Monk           17. Fighter
3. Ranger          8. Monk           13. Fighter        18. Fighter
4. Ranger          9. Monk           14. Fighter        19. Fighter
5. Ranger         10. Monk           15. Fighter        20. Fighter


Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength         8       +7       4: DEX
Dexterity       20       +7       8: DEX
Constitution    14       +7      12: DEX
Intelligence     8       +7      16: DEX
Wisdom          16       +7      20: DEX
Charisma         8       +7      24: DEX
                                 28: DEX

Feats

1        : Point Blank Shot
1 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead
3        : Quick Draw
5 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
6        : Precision
7 Monk   : Shuriken Expertise
8 Monk   : Zen Archery
9        : Improved Critical: Thrown
9 Monk   : Path of Harmonious Balance
12        : Master of Forms
12 Monk   : Ten Thousand Stars
13 Fighter: Improved Precise Shot
14 Fighter: Weapon Focus: Thrown
15        : Quicken Spell
16 Fighter: Weapon Specialization: Thrown
18        : Grandmaster of Forms
18 Fighter: Dodge
20 Fighter: Mobility
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Combat Archery
26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Force
27 Epic   : Blinding Speed
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Harbinger of Chaos
30 Epic   : Epic Reflexes
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea


Spells

• Ram's Might, Magic Fang

Enhancements (80 AP)

Kensei (34 AP)

• Kensei Focus: Martial Arts, Spiritual Bond, Strike with No Thought
• Extra Action Boost III, Weapon Group Specialization
• Weapon Group Specialization, Ascetic Training: Contemplation III
• Critical Mastery III, Weapon Group Specialization, Shattering Shot III, Dexterity
• Strike at the Heart, Dexterity
• A Good Death: Range, One with the Blade, Deadly Shot, Keen Edge

Arcane Archer (24 AP)

• Arcane Archer[list=1]
• Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Shock Arrows
• Force Arrows III, Elemental Damage
• Elemental Damage, Dexterity
• Elemental Damage, Dexterity

Deepwood Stalker (11 AP)

• Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot[list=1]
• Stealthy III, Increased Empathy II
• Melee/Range Power Boost III

Ninja Spy (11 AP)

• Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training, Shadow Veil[list=1]
• Stealthy III, Sneak Attack Training
• Agility III

Digimonk wrote on Apr 5^th, 2017 at 3:19pm:


I did this with my 8Monk/6Fighter/6Ranger build for a while, obviously missing out on the crit threat in t5 from only being 6 fighter. I actually finished an LE Slavers 1 solo a little bit faster than my Fury, but that was because its faster on trash, and that quest up until today was about 90% time spent on trash and running and 10% on red names (As a thrower).

It's a perfectly serviceable thrower build, but given the danger of champs and red names now, and reapers, vs. trash, I would argue the burst is more important than over on Slayer+Sniper builds.

Actually, I was unclear. I also meant I ran it in Fury with T5 Kensei (though I tried it in LD for a minute too). I agree you can maintain some burst with it thanks to Sniper shots and the smaller boosts to Adrenaline from Good Death and Deadly Shot. It was in Fury in fact that I finished the solo faster than Tier 5 AA. Again, bosses were a huge pain, but trash was really easy to kill.

Its funny that on a build that gets spanked on a red name time (T5 Kensei vs T5 AA in Fury), you could solo some quests faster on the Kensei just because so much more time is spent killing trash. Reaper would change the math on this but I'm not sure it would change the outcome...probably depends on skulls and luck with champs.