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gimpforlife Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 81 Joined: Oct 4^th, 2015	Deception and improved deception items Apr 21^st, 2017 at 4:57am	Print Post
	Hi which deception and improved deception items stack looking for my dex based ranger tempest which gear set up for max sneak attack damage
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Doodle Abbot Raider Offline Shoot first ask questions later! Posts: 991 Location: Purgatory Joined: Jun 16^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Deception and improved deception items Reply #1 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:51am	Print Post
	gimpforlife wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 4:57am: Hi which deception and improved deception items stack looking for my dex based ranger tempest which gear set up for max sneak attack damage I don't know what all of the exact items are because there are random gen stuff; however A) http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Category:Deception_items B) http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Category:Improved_Deception_items You may WEAR 1 deception and 1 improved deception item PLUS you may have one deception and one improved deception WEAPON.� Hope that helps.�
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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Deception and improved deception items Reply #2 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 7:37pm	Print Post
	Honestly, I don't know how they stack since they made the no-turnaround change to deception. They also removed old-style deception from the crafting tables entirely. So there are um ... four? kinds of deception (bluff effect) to test. Old legacy deception items Not as old legacy deception items (Deception I, II, etc.) New items with old-style deception. Improved deception. *Harper Tier 5 Deception imbue. If you're talking about SA damage stacking, then you have to test Old legacy Sneak Attack Bonus items Not as old legacy deception items (Deception I, II, etc.) New items with new "deception" (which ought to be the same as the old Sneak Attack Bonus items) Insightful, Quality versions, etc. Best chance: Find someone with OCD. Grand was great for this stuff.

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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Deception and improved deception items Reply #3 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 8:52pm	Print Post
	5FS has done a bunch of testing on this stuff, for deception/bluff anyway. My understanding the the SA damage piece is very straightforward and not controversial, as it's either Enhancement, Insightful, or Quality types like so many other damage types.


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gimpforlife Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 81 Joined: Oct 4^th, 2015	Re: Deception and improved deception items Reply #4 - Apr 21^st, 2017 at 11:23pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 8:52pm: 5FS has done a bunch of testing on this stuff, for deception/bluff anyway. My understanding the the SA damage piece is very straightforward and not controversial, as it's either Enhancement, Insightful, or Quality types like so many other damage types. Hi well I was just looking for right combination of deception and improved deception gear for my dex based tempest 1. Epic Golden Guile 2. Seal of House Avithoul 3. EE Backstabbers Gloves 4. Legen Animated rope 5. Strange tidings which of these stack and which combo is best


	IP Logged

Toke Stormreaver Piker Offline ... or maybe I was just smoking something. Posts: 744 Joined: Jan 7^th, 2014	Re: Deception and improved deception items Reply #5 - Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 8:53am	Print Post
	Doodle wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:51am: You may WEAR 1 deception and 1 improved deception item PLUS you may have one deception and one improved deception WEAPON.� Hope that helps.� Also, look at the effects listing when you put things on.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Deception and improved deception items Reply #6 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 12:54pm	Print Post
	Doodle wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:51am: I don't know what all of the exact items are because there are random gen stuff; however A) http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Category:Deception_items B) http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Category:Improved_Deception_items You may WEAR 1 deception and 1 improved deception item PLUS you may have one deception and one improved deception WEAPON.� Hope that helps.� This is out of date. That is how it used to work. gimpforlife wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 11:23pm: Hi well I was just looking for right combination of deception and improved deception gear for my dex based tempest 1. Epic Golden Guile 2. Seal of House Avithoul 3. EE Backstabbers Gloves 4. Legen Animated rope 5. Strange tidings which of these stack and which combo is best None of those stack. Not the bluff proc anyway. You may want to combo the Imp Deception proc rate with the SA damage from a newer item though The rundown: New and old Deception items have a 5% bluff proc rate. Improved Deception items have a 10% bluff proc rate. You can stack 1 weapon proc and 1 accessory proc. SO the best proc rate is stacking Improved Deception on a weapon and accessory for 10%+10%. Some builds will have to settle for one of each for 10%+5%. A few will only fit one item. 5 Foot Step wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 5:41pm: You can combine 1 deception effect from a weapon and 1 from an accessory. The better of Improved deception or regular deception will apply from each. So you can have 2 regulars, 2 improveds, or one of each, as long as one is on a weapon and one is on an accessory both will always apply to both hands 5 Foot Step wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 10:51am: Improved Deception Statistics: 10% rate, 4 second duration, 5 attacks per second. Single stack: 1 second/5 procs: 59.049% chance of not proccing 2 seconds/10 procs: 34.86784401% chance of not proccing 3 seconds/15 procs: 20.5891132094649% chance of not proccing Double stack: 1 second/10 procs: 34.86784401% chance of not proccing 2 seconds/20 procs: 12.15766545905693% chance of not proccing 3 seconds/30 procs: 4.23911582752162% chance of not proccing

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