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Reply #25 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 4:49pm
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Zehnpai wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 4:26pm:
Lynn played an assassin build once and said that rogues are totally cool and fine and you should just stop complaining because SSG are the biggest bunch of bestest besties ever so I wouldn't anticipate them doing an overall weapon pass ever.

However, they've stated they want to make throwing with things other then shurikens worthwhile so this is how they will do it.

And since they're only allowed to consult the outsourced Indian programmer that SSG keeps on retainer for 1 day out of 5 (the rest of the time goes to the LOTRO team), we can't hope for new or interesting abilities in a knife fighting tree.  So instead all we can hope for is the same copy/pasted benefits that they've used in the last 5 revamps.

  
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Reply #26 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 4:54pm
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Well it's not really hard to see how they're balancing things. 

How to fix ranger?  Heap gobs of melee power on, some attack speed buffs, double strike, crit multi/threat, next!

How to fix fighter?  Even more melee power, attack speed, double strike, crit multi/threat, next!

How to fix monk?  Melee power, attack speed, double strike, crit multi/threat, next!

How to fix Artificer?  Ranged power, ranged attack speed, double shot, crit multi/threat, next!

See a pattern emerging?
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Reply #27 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 5:05pm
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Homogenizing the classes isn't a bad thing. How much damage you deal should be about the same for any well-built character.

PLAY STYLE is what is supposed to be the defining characteristic.

EG a warrior and a ranger should do about the same damage, but playing one or the other should be an entirely different experience.
  

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Reply #28 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 5:19pm
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Zehnpai wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 4:26pm:
However, they've stated they want to make throwing with things other then shurikens worthwhile so this is how they will do it.

Yeah, I told her on reddit that I can still get a sub 20 second kill time on red kobolds and she asked for the build. lol. like, I'm stupid, but come on, bruh.....
  

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Reply #29 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 7:14pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 5:19pm:
Yeah, I told her on reddit that I can still get a sub 20 second kill time on red kobolds and she asked for the build. lol. like, I'm stupid, but come on, bruh.....

Even if you gave her the build, she wouldn't be able to use it properly.   

I've run missions with her.  She can't play nor build her way out of a wet paper bag.  In that respect, she's just like all the other SSG devs. 

I've also seen some of her Twitch videos.  She uses between 1 and 3 hotbars total, doesn't have half the useful abilities hotkeyed and seems to click most (all?) the hotbuttons with a mouse instead of using number keys, alt+number keys, ctrl+number keys, etc.

Not trying to be mean or anything, just stating what I've personally experienced in groups with her, seen on Twitch, etc.
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Reply #30 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 7:31pm
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Back when I was playing WoW, you always knew what classes the devs were currently playing because that class was OP as shit. Other classes would get the nerf-stick based on player complaints(mostly about their own classes being "less powerful".

But at the end of the day, the devs were actually playing their own game enough to understand it, albeit one class at a time.

Compare to DDO, where the devs apparently play, what, 15 minutes a week?
  

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Reply #31 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 7:53pm
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Digimonk wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 7:14pm:
Even if you gave her the build, she wouldn't be able to use it properly.   

I've run missions with her.  She can't play nor build her way out of a wet paper bag.  In that respect, she's just like all the other SSG devs. 

I've also seen some of her Twitch videos.  She uses between 1 and 3 hotbars total, doesn't have half the useful abilities hotkeyed and seems to click most (all?) the hotbuttons with a mouse instead of using number keys, alt+number keys, ctrl+number keys, etc.

Not trying to be mean or anything, just stating what I've personally experienced in groups with her, seen on Twitch, etc.


That was exactly my reply to her lol. I told her that the devs would never be able to build or play a build efficiently to get that dps. It should be a requirement to enjoy and know the game you're working on to be a developer. It was meant as a jab at SSG and not at lynn. I appreciate the work she put in and how an eager new face makes everyone look bad just by enjoying what she does. I'm not kidding either. Look at any stream and those devs are soulless. They're dead inside and the cognitive dissonance displayed from them by merely talking about the game is apparent. It pains them to even speak and their dull monotone isn't doing them any favors.
  

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Reply #32 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 8:38pm
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Zehnpai wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 11:49am:
Be prepared for the glory that is

+1 critical threat range to throwing weapons
+1 threat modifier to throwing weapons.
20% doubleshot to throwing weapons
30% action boost to attack speed with throwing weapons
20 ranged power when using a throwing weapon
[2w] attack that proc's some form of CC (trip or stunning)
+defensive stat (dodge) when using a throwing weapon
Can use (stat) as damage/hit modifer when using throwing weapon
Everything else being mostly garbage


this is so good
  
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Reply #33 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 9:39pm
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noamineo wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
Back when I was playing WoW, you always knew what classes the devs were currently playing because that class was OP as shit. Other classes would get the nerf-stick based on player complaints(mostly about their own classes being "less powerful".

But at the end of the day, the devs were actually playing their own game enough to understand it, albeit one class at a time.

Compare to DDO, where the devs apparently play, what, 15 minutes a week?

WoW has reams and reams of data, which is something DDO sorely lacks. Tens of thousands of combat logs are uploaded to log aggregation websites weekly so guilds can see how they rate against others. Over time, it's easy to see the pattern of which classes outperform or underperform others based on their gear. 
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Reply #34 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 12:14am
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I try not to give SSG too much grief about class balance.  That shit is -hard- to do.

I mean....despite having all this data, WoW still can't balance worth shit.  There's always some build over/under-performing.  They had some of the best minds in the business and a super-simplified combat system and still couldn't manage. 

You think DDO has a problem with ranged vs. melee?  You should see thousands of autistic weebs upset that their mangina hunter can't top the deeps charts.

WoW's problem now though is that all the talent is working on other projects and it's mostly interns that spend all day in meetings rather then balancing shit.  All my friends at Blizzard now work on OverWatch, HOTS or some NDA shit they won't tell me about.  The one guy who still does stuff for WoW mostly does network optimization stuff.

Anyways...

It is pretty obvious the devs are fairly mediocre at the game.  They're not Fran levels of bad but still...

Cordo/Lynn notwithstanding you have Sev talking about how he doesn't see anything special about Shiradi Sorcerers (pre-Reaper days).  Steelstar obviously has no idea what an opportunity cost is or how damage rotations work (Darkfire is good because it has no mana cost guys).

That being said it's also obvious they're pretty passionate about the game.

Sev managed to keep the game from being shut down.  I mean either he's completely unemployable otherwise or he cared enough to keep the game going.  For some fucked up reason I still like this game so I have to thank them for that.

Steelstar has worked miracles with a game engine that was built from the ground up by people who knew they wouldn't be working there after a year.  There are some kinks here and there of course (Thanks to unintended mechanics you can basically double the DPS the new battle engineer tree was probably meant to do and no I won't tell you what they are I ain't no goddamn snitch).

Ms. Update 36 herself Lynn was around for the only patch in DDO history that fixed more things than it broke.  A feat that has never before, nor probably will ever again, be achieved.  Mines of Mudflation already nobody gives a shit about anymore but all the icon, text and other things she fixed?  That shit is immortal man.

Based on statements he made about the last con he went to Cordovan is obviously paid in paint fumes and expired Subway coupons but he still shows up for work.  I'm fairly certain he could double his pay as a Wal-Mart greeter with probably a better benefits package.  But he sticks around to occasionally tell us what sales are on and delete the occasional Wondream thread when he goes off his meds and starts talking about raping black women again.  If not him we'd probably have Marshal or one of the other SSG boot lickers running the motherboards.

And Torc...well as soon as he figures out that he's putting too many zeroes at the end of mob HP he'll resume being one of the best dungeon designers since the old days.

Anyways...

I just wish they focused their energy on growing the game.  It's honestly not too late.  DDO has some of the best, most unique content in the MMO sphere.  There is a -hunger- out there for it.  Look at how popular Divinity 2 is right now and DDO is three wet farts from being Divinity 2 the MMO.

But they're so goddamn busy trying to churn and burn dungeons and reasons to buy Otto's boxes that they won't do the handful of things to start righting the sinking ship.

It's just so goddamn frustrating to watch.
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Reply #35 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:21am
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Zehnpai wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 12:14am:
Sev talking about how he doesn't see anything special about Shiradi Sorcerers (pre-Reaper days).

I feel he did see through videos. although not in his hands. He saw enough to add a stupid ranged power boost when drinking tea with the queen. Enough to lower the good joy down to ~5% chance from what was around ~20% . I know they said they did not lower it, so just assume they increased the chances of every other tea ability? In reaper shiradi are just okay even with an ender set. Aside the Greater Ruin x10 proc, it takes skill to get high performance out of them. Most of it is knowing which mobs are where and timing supremacy for those encounters. Otherwise it's a budget sorc relying on energy bursts and hellball to aoe clear. Probably why he didn't see anything special.

Zehnpai wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 12:14am:
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Zehnpai wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 12:14am:
Ms. Update 36 herself Lynn was around for the only patch in DDO history that fixed more things than it broke.  A feat that has never before, nor probably will ever again, be achieved.


yep.

Zehnpai wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 12:14am:
Mines of Mudflation already nobody gives a shit about anymore

There are a few great items there that were designed well. Shimmer is the only cloak slot that allows dc casters to get quality enchant dc and essentially function as a second goggle slot so builds can wear necro on the eyes. Its consolidation of abilities is great. The only other source of Q Enchant dc is a necklace with shitty abilities everywhere else. The dagger is the only source of quality spell pen and forces builds to give up a weapon/orb slot for it. The rest of the items are just more of the usual bland high stats in the same slot. The wraps are great for heroic devil content, too.

  

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this is so much win  Grin
  
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:21am:
There are a few great items there that were designed well.


The loot is absolutely fantastic but because they took pity on us for a change and didn't grind-lock it behind yet another collectible farm you can reliably get anything you want in about 3~5 runs, less if you've got enough astral shards to drown a rat.

The loot is designed to be used in the mudflated dungeons.  An improved vorpal repeater with a socket and tons of bonus damage is meant to be used against the mobs with 4k hp.

However, you don't do that.  What you do is go and do Vale or Gianthold or whatever quest series tickles your fancy where the mobs have 1k hp.

So everybody farmed the fuck out of MoT week 1 and now it's a ghost town.  I wanted to give it a fair shake and try them again on my last TR and I couldn't even get any piking Chinamen to join me and those fuckers will join me doing Threnal.
  
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Reply #38 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 11:30am
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Zehnpai wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 10:46am:
So everybody farmed the fuck out of MoT week 1 and now it's a ghost town.  I wanted to give it a fair shake and try them again on my last TR and I couldn't even get any piking Chinamen to join me and those fuckers will join me doing Threnal.

Our static group has been doing them every life at r4. IDK why, but I don't ask questions. The chain could use an xp increase compared to the easier quests out there. I find the mines to be easier than New Amrath, Legendary Shroud flaggers, Devil's Gambit, and the Search and Rescue optional. Seriously, fuck that optional....
  

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Reply #39 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:50pm
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harharharhar wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 8:38pm:
this is so good


Yes.  A masterful bit of trolling.
  
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Reply #40 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 5:33am
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:21am:
It's a Grand sock. See the ticker here for just how many socks one man is willing to make to talk to himself.


I really think people here sell grand short. I mean he might be talking to himself IRL, but when you put that shit down on paper (text) it's called writing. Mother fucker wrote novels worth of shit here.

Probably half the posters on the mobo too...
  

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Reply #41 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 10:35am
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Digimonk wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 7:14pm:
Even if you gave her the build, she wouldn't be able to use it properly.   

I've run missions with her.  She can't play nor build her way out of a wet paper bag.  In that respect, she's just like all the other SSG devs. 

I've also seen some of her Twitch videos.  She uses between 1 and 3 hotbars total, doesn't have half the useful abilities hotkeyed and seems to click most (all?) the hotbuttons with a mouse instead of using number keys, alt+number keys, ctrl+number keys, etc.

Not trying to be mean or anything, just stating what I've personally experienced in groups with her, seen on Twitch, etc.


My biggest complaint with lynn has been essentially the above sentiments. She is a far cry above the rest of the devs in terms of playing ability, competence (especially cordo and steel). However, she's so far beneath the playing ability and more importantly the building capabilities (not just the theorycrafting but adapting to changes, itemization, bugs, etc.) that the fact she thinks she has a good handle on the game is hilarious.

I love her enthusiasm and it does elevate her slightly above the rest of the devs (besides torc). But her attitude that she's a competent player holds her back from seeing the bigger picture. Additionally there have been quite a few occasions when her enthusiasm caused her to sweep under the rug some of the game's biggest issues as of late (specifically talking about the tr cache bug).

Still appreciate her work on the game as at least it has had a net positive, but I think her community presence has actually caused more harm than good (not the initiation threads where she asks for feedback but the back and forth responses).
  
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Reply #42 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 10:18pm
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hydra wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 10:35am:
My biggest complaint with lynn has been essentially the above sentiments. She is a far cry above the rest of the devs in terms of playing ability, competence (especially cordo and steel). However, she's so far beneath the playing ability and more importantly the building capabilities (not just the theorycrafting but adapting to changes, itemization, bugs, etc.) that the fact she thinks she has a good handle on the game is hilarious.

I love her enthusiasm and it does elevate her slightly above the rest of the devs (besides torc). But her attitude that she's a competent player holds her back from seeing the bigger picture. Additionally there have been quite a few occasions when her enthusiasm caused her to sweep under the rug some of the game's biggest issues as of late (specifically talking about the tr cache bug).

Still appreciate her work on the game as at least it has had a net positive, but I think her community presence has actually caused more harm than good (not the initiation threads where she asks for feedback but the back and forth responses).


She openly admitted to hating throwers which is ridiculous because you only hate things when you are emotional about them and not analytical.

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Reply #43 - Oct 3rd, 2017 at 2:17pm
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Who Cares wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 5:33am:
I really think people here sell grand short

No, we pretty consistently ridicule the amount of time and effort that goes into it. Much like the waste of time and effort that goes into writing shitty TL;DR novels.
  

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Zehnpai wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 11:49am:
Be prepared for the glory that is

+1 critical threat range to throwing weapons
+1 threat modifier to throwing weapons.
20% doubleshot to throwing weapons
30% action boost to attack speed with throwing weapons
20 ranged power when using a throwing weapon
[2w] attack that proc's some form of CC (trip or stunning)
+defensive stat (dodge) when using a throwing weapon
Can use (stat) as damage/hit modifer when using throwing weapon
Everything else being mostly garbage

this is the exact tree they previewed today  Grin
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 12:36pm:
this is the exact tree they previewed today  Grin


Where did you see that?  What stat were they allowing as damage/hit modifier when using a throwing weapon?

  
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Where did you see that?  What stat were they allowing as damage/hit modifier when using a throwing weapon?


https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/490207-U36-Patch-3-First-Preview-Relea...

No stat to combat ability in the new race, or in the new tree.

  

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https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/490207-U36-Patch-3-First-Preview-Relea...

No stat to combat ability in the new race, or in the new tree.



Didn't think so.  Nor is there any + defensive stat (dodge) when using a throwing weapon. 

It's close, but not exact.  Like I said, a masterful trolling.
  
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Asheras wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
It's close, but not exact.  Like I said, a masterful trolling. 


Close fucking enough.

Mist Stalker V: Activate to gain +20% Dodge and Maximum Dodge, +30 PRR, and +30 MRR for 20 seconds. Cooldown: 60 seconds.

1v1 me bro.

I also guessed they'd have a CC ability somewhere in there.  I was almost certain they'd copy throat dagger over.  Instead they copied fan of knives.

Like I said, they've followed basically the same copy/pasted formula for all physical revamps since fighter.  The only difference has been what weapon you have to use.
  
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Re: Vistani Knife Fighting and Aasimar
Reply #49 - Oct 4th, 2017 at 3:32pm
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Disappointed there's no Aasimar option for +2 base WIS.  Would have been nice to finally have a heroic race with +2 WIS.  Apparently devs hate WIS builds unless you go Iconic and pay to LR the 1 level away.

Scourge Aasimar are missing and aren't listed in the known issues. Not holding my breath they'll be added.

No racial reincarnation benefits have been posted.

Would have been too much to have Blood of Vol to include throwing dagger as a favored weapon for FvS to use WIS or CHA to hit/dmg?  Apparently so.
« Last Edit: Oct 4th, 2017 at 3:48pm by Carpone »  
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