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Feb 25th, 2018 at 2:48pm
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So I haven't played much in a while and I figured I'd play a bit.  I prefer melee casters, but I'm not sure what still exists as viable (Most enjoyed Greatsword Fvs tank, vampire wizard monk, melee artificer)

So I'm asking the vault, what kind of tanky melee casters exist (prefereably reaper viable) and what should I prioritize to get there in terms of past lives etc.

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Reply #1 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 3:04pm
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Just run warlock 1-20 for all 33 racial past lives, then you can start worrying about playing your favorite build.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 6:56pm
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bob the builder wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 3:04pm:
Just run warlock 1-20 for all 33 racial past lives, then you can start worrying about playing your favorite build.

Can't tell if serious, are the benefits from racial pls worth that much compared to other things?  Cause honestly, if i have to spend over a year at the rate I play to be solid, it doesn't seem worth it
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 8:07pm
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You don't need anything more that what you have to be "viable".  Get Ravenloft, and just outfit your build with appropriate Ravenloft gear.  You'll be better than half the pugs out there.

Farming the gear is easy now, as even with most pugs they have already farmed out the gear and are now either running the quests for saga or are looking for mythic / reaper upgrades to what they already have.  People are passing loot if you just ask for it.

As for what to build? Build what you like. Easy enough to build a ranged fury shooter that will have solid dps.  Easier to build a lock for all around use.  Melee get a little more gear and lives dependent as you need the mrr/prr to survive up close, but certainly can be done.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 26th, 2018 at 3:49pm
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Tene wrote on Feb 25th, 2018 at 2:48pm:
So I'm asking the vault, what kind of tanky melee casters exist


Well there's cleric, if you don't mind most of you tankiness coming from heals, and...uh...does bard count?

I'd look into 14 cleric/6 fighter animal domain. You'll need to be a non-morninglord FR iconic to worship Silvanus for the maul buff.
  

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Reply #5 - Feb 26th, 2018 at 5:20pm
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For low reaper, ES Warlock is about as tanky a caster as you get.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 26th, 2018 at 5:23pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 26th, 2018 at 3:49pm:
Well there's cleric, if you don't mind most of you tankiness coming from heals, and...uh...does bard count?

I'd look into 14 cleric/6 fighter animal domain. You'll need to be a non-morninglord FR iconic to worship Silvanus for the maul buff.



Appreciate it.  Which past lives would I need to pick up for that?

Also, is there anything like these still in game?

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/268346-The-Soul-Survivor-(WF-FvS20-Hea...
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/404822-The-Juggernaut-Prime-of-the-War...
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Reply #7 - Feb 26th, 2018 at 6:11pm
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It's a simple formula.  You need either a good build, good gear or good game knowledge.   

Any 1 of the 3 can carry you through low Reaper. 

You'll need all 3 if you plan to do high skulls. 

The point is, anything is viable.  Play what you like.  If it sucks, TR.  If it's fun, TR and tweak it to improve it.
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Reply #8 - Feb 27th, 2018 at 12:09pm
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Carpone wrote on Feb 26th, 2018 at 5:20pm:
For low reaper, ES Warlock is about as tanky a caster as you get.


Enough tank, no melee.

Tene wrote on Feb 26th, 2018 at 5:23pm:
Appreciate it.  Which past lives would I need to pick up for that?


I think you've got plenty of lives to run it. More Pally would probably help the most. Though you're also close to Epic Completionist if you want to grab that. Racials are also very powerful, but they are backloaded, so it is a big grind.

Tene wrote on Feb 26th, 2018 at 5:23pm:
Also, is there anything like these still in game?


My idea is to update this build:
http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1477330451/0
into the 14 cleric/6 fighter animal domain silvanus build. I just haven't gotten around to posting it.
  

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Reply #9 - Feb 27th, 2018 at 2:38pm
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Animal Domain?

Why??
  

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Reply #10 - Feb 27th, 2018 at 4:34pm
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prioritize leaving again.
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 27th, 2018 at 6:11pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 27th, 2018 at 12:09pm:
My idea is to update this build:
http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1477330451/0
into the 14 cleric/6 fighter animal domain silvanus build. I just haven't gotten around to posting it.


Got around to it, thanks for the borrowed gumption.

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1519772579

Technomage wrote on Feb 27th, 2018 at 2:38pm:
Animal Domain?

Why??


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Reply #12 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 5:30am
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Make a warlock alt to farm stuff. Farm ravenloft stuff. It's easy to drop. If you pug the quests are fine on r1. You can easly have a reaper functional character in this game with easly obtained ravenloft gear, I seriously don't understand why the majority still suck with this game.
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 11:54pm
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Ok guys, I appreciate the help so far, but could use a bit more, was on a blaster lock when I left and I'm having a world of trouble with finishing out its life.

It just took me 47 minutes to solo EE Battle for Eveningstar, and I don't recall it ever being that bad, most of that time was spent slowly tickling bosses to death or dying to champs.

Lvl 22
672 Hp (Buffed)
47 Cha
37 Con
45 PRR
46 MRR
332 Light sp, 210 Acid sp (20% crit in both)
Running in exalted angel (cause I need the divine epl)

Obviously none of my spells land on drow, and most things seem to be saving on pact damage, I only have evo focus and wiz pl.

Does anything stand out as a problem?  Can't really wear much epic gear at 22, so I've got a lot of the challenge gear (upgraded to 3 and sockets filled) but I thought I recalled that being sufficient for runs to 28 when the cap was there.
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 1:06am
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Tene wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 11:54pm:
Ok guys, I appreciate the help so far, but could use a bit more, was on a blaster lock when I left and I'm having a world of trouble with finishing out its life.

It just took me 47 minutes to solo EE Battle for Eveningstar, and I don't recall it ever being that bad, most of that time was spent slowly tickling bosses to death or dying to champs.

Lvl 22
672 Hp (Buffed)
47 Cha
37 Con
45 PRR
46 MRR
332 Light sp, 210 Acid sp (20% crit in both)
Running in exalted angel (cause I need the divine epl)

Obviously none of my spells land on drow, and most things seem to be saving on pact damage, I only have evo focus and wiz pl.

Does anything stand out as a problem?  Can't really wear much epic gear at 22, so I've got a lot of the challenge gear (upgraded to 3 and sockets filled) but I thought I recalled that being sufficient for runs to 28 when the cap was there.


I found with warlock builds that use the distance attack as opposed to the AOE, you have to mix some AOEs in like Energy Blast, the healing one from Exalted Angel and a few others. Get a rotation going in addition to your blast attack. Most people switch to the cone version but I like the one that jumps from target to target.
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 10:25am
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Just EH streak to cap. EE is a huge step up from EH and it just sounds like you aren’t quite ready for it.
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 10:58am
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I'm in roughly the same position as you, coming back with a near-totally unfamilar new gear meta.

My plan is

Justanotherlurker wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 10:25am:
Just EH streak to cap


and then reincarnate back to one and relearn as I start on racial PLs and Reaper xp.

If you're worried about losing your streak numbers, there is a dude on guild ships and in the Hall of Heroes that will "pause" your streak.  Not that it's very important, it's easy enough to get it back to max, but I understand if you have a large streak number and want to keep it.

Warlocks took a few nerfs over the last couple of years; they're still pretty OP but maybe read up on the changes and swap your enhancements around accordingly. 

Crafted gear seems to beat the hell out of lootgen in most cases, and I think you'll be able to craft some good placeholders with your levels while you farm out the new named stuff.  Levelling crafting is pretty easy anyway.  Collectables are the sticking point, so be sure to grab all the nodes as you go.
  

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Reply #17 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 1:02pm
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Tene wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 11:54pm:
Ok guys, I appreciate the help so far, but could use a bit more, was on a blaster lock when I left and I'm having a world of trouble with finishing out its life.

It just took me 47 minutes to solo EE Battle for Eveningstar, and I don't recall it ever being that bad, most of that time was spent slowly tickling bosses to death or dying to champs.

Lvl 22
672 Hp (Buffed)
47 Cha
37 Con
45 PRR
46 MRR
332 Light sp, 210 Acid sp (20% crit in both)
Running in exalted angel (cause I need the divine epl)

Obviously none of my spells land on drow, and most things seem to be saving on pact damage, I only have evo focus and wiz pl.

Does anything stand out as a problem?  Can't really wear much epic gear at 22, so I've got a lot of the challenge gear (upgraded to 3 and sockets filled) but I thought I recalled that being sufficient for runs to 28 when the cap was there.


http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1474139018/0#0
  

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Reply #18 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 2:48pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 1:02pm:

+1 on this.

There are other builds that are stronger overall but the basic auralock is the best training wheels build in the game for new players or returning players that are getting up to speed on all the changes and current state of the game.  They're simple to play, have a good mix of survivability and damage output, have some utility, have some CC, are pretty easy to gear and don't require a massive spell point pool to be effective.

Personally, I prefer a Fey pact auralock in Shiradi destiny instead of Fiend due to higher reflex saves, wings/step, and the number of fire resistant/immune mobs in the game, and the synergy with Shiradi procs but either version is a great starter build.  You do have to put a bit of focus on Evo DCs for Fey though.

One change I might recommend on a Fiend warlock is to twist Draconic Spell Augmentation from Draconic Incarnation instead of Energy Burst (or take both if you can get two tier 4 twists).  It's decent since it scales with spellpower.  It will help shore up your single target DPS more than Energy Burst which is a good thing since a warlock's biggest weakness is red-named/single-target DPS.
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Reply #19 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 5:58pm
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Thanks guys, was running something very close to this, without the aoe bursts and using chain almost all the time.  Relying on the charms and tentacles for cc.  (They just stopped landing when I hit eveningstar stuff) I don't know why I had it stuck in my head that I should avoid the slas, i think it was cause they caused a delay before the blast could cast again? 

I'll try it as an auralock, but just to help me understand, is a necro/charm blaster lock a bad idea? Or do I not have the gear for it? etc? (obv asking about ee and er1 it did great through heroic r1s and elites)

Edit: Also, should I simply ignore the necro/charm stuff in epic as a general rule, or is there a gear point where that stuff lands on a lock?
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Reply #20 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 7:48pm
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EE is much harder the HE. I'm not at all surprised you are hitting a wall at the first Estar chain. Be prepared to drop to EH when soloing but EE and reaper will still be ok in a group.
  
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Reply #21 - Mar 3rd, 2018 at 9:51am
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Tene wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 5:58pm:
Also, should I simply ignore the necro/charm stuff in epic as a general rule, or is there a gear point where that stuff lands on a lock?


Yes, it might be a while though, at least on difficulties where they matter.
  

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