Tspoon wrote on Mar 6^th, 2018 at 3:28pm:


Sneak of Shadows, Greater Heroism, bonus from dexterity score, Elite Spider Cult Mask, etc. The aasimar version of this has 17 more hide, which brings the sneak attack segments to almost 1,000/punch versus targeted bosses with vulnerability and jade. This rogue-like sneak damage is ridiculous, regardless of whatever weapon is relaying your base damage; and the overscaling of duality doesn't help in the slightest. I intended to redo all the dps tests with Prowess incorporated (didn't function last lamannia), since every test is at a 100 or higher Melee Power deficit compared to live. Vistani looks potentially ultra-scary, as you'd likely be hitting 1,400s base and sneak attacking for just as much. Kensei will probably overtake monk, slightly (after duality nerf), despite the results of whatever tests SSG has run regarding melee performance. I literally think a shintao can kill the red-named kobold in 9 seconds in their current state. God forbid what they could do to a helpless kobold.

Tspoon wrote on Mar 6^th, 2018 at 3:28pm:

they are now closer to other melee dps builds. duality monk was hitting 40k dps, the next closest build, an exploit wolf, would come in 10000 dps behind. these changes arent even enough. duality monks still put out around 100k dps against helpless. the next closest helpless build is a kensei, but the kensei has cooldowns on their attacks that allow them to even get their helpless damage that high. monks just boost and smash shit.

Tspoon wrote on Mar 6^th, 2018 at 3:03pm:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCVjq5hmtSA

Monk DPS before any ravenloft gear. I did not use Symmetric Strikes as a twist back then, so this damage could be stable 1k+/punch with just under 600 sneak attack. Monks, ever since their buff, were the strongest melee (contested only by kensei), but the implementation of ravenloft gear and duality more or less injected monks with anabolic steroids and growth hormone.

Tspoon wrote on Mar 6^th, 2018 at 3:47pm:


But also Duality was broken too, ofc (as is Spite). Base of wraps is 3.5, it was getting a +6. A maul is base 5.5, Tremor got +6. All the other weapons are like Tremor, they got a "plus" close to the average of the old dice, many got less than the average. Take the bow, the light hammer, the khopesh: the avarage of d8 is 4.5, they got a +3.

Only duality, spite and gulthias got a "plus" that was broken. Duality being now d6+3 is only putting it at the same level of the other ravenlof items.

Tspoon wrote on Mar 6^th, 2018 at 3:28pm:


Because most of you couldn't have been more retarded if you popped out of Sarah Pallin's vagina.

Monks have been top DPS since pass.

raybob wrote on Mar 6^th, 2018 at 4:55pm:


Pfft, Nerf it till it glows!

Quote:

It's the old conundrum: Which is worse? A fucktard who is completely clueless and random, or a fucktard with enough information to start doing some real damage?

Wipe wrote on Mar 6^th, 2018 at 3:10pm:

Which kind of highlights how pathetic it is that even windowlicking, mouthbreathing scrubs could tell that Duality wraps monks were broken as fuck but SSG missed it because they have virtually zero idea how to play their own game.

Bigjunk wrote on Mar 6^th, 2018 at 4:20pm:


Yes, but it was not a hige difference as it is now.  And it's mostly because of the change in how the [W] means, because monk is the only class that gets significant extra number of [W].

You can feel this real time in game: before lv 29, monk is just as it was before ravenloft. When I was lvling mine, it wasn't that much better than lvling other revamped melees like fighter. But when I got to 29 and changed from TF to morninglord wrap, I could feel the difference instantly. I have never experienced so much difference in power by changing a single item in this game. By using a morninglord, wich gives +4 to the dice value, it's like a stacking +57 deadly item on my monk that has 14.3 [W]. I think other DPS styles are with about 6 or 7 [W] max. So the extra +6 on dice of a duality with 17.3 [W] would be like a 103.8 stacking deadly item. That is simply insane and is what happens currently.

If monks were already before ravenlof the best DPS but not so much better, with Duality having proportionally the same buff in the value of [W] as the other weapons, they are still more buffed than the other classes simply because they have disproportionally more [W]. So even with the nerf, the difference between monks and other classes is still higher than before ravenloft.

So no, kenseis and other classes will still not be able to compete with monks in DPS, if last year they already couldn't.

I think people are underetimating how dramatic the DPS shintaos are getting now, even compared to pure thrower, to think a 10-20% DPS nerf will make them even with others.

QuantumFX wrote on Mar 6^th, 2018 at 11:45pm:

SSG "tested".

They still don't realize that to properly test something requires thorough understanding of what you want to test.  It's hard to test thing you have no understanding of.

Where are all these bags of dicks coming from?
And who's procuring them?

Oooh, artisanal.