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Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:14pm
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Could someone suggest a winter wolf build? I used to play a variation of Lelouch's swf wolf 4 fighter/6 ranger/ 10 druid, and loved it. Does the wolf have synergy with vistanti knife? Should I use a two-handed weapon with power attack?
  
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Re: Wolf build request
Reply #1 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 9:46pm
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Based on your username, I assume this is your basic plan:

1) take some Druid levels
2) transform your character into a wolf
3) masturbate furiously

My advice would be to uninstall DDO. There are easier ways to pop your wolf boners. Even if you're a masochist.
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 10:41am
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Shypup wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
Could someone suggest a winter wolf build? I used to play a variation of Lelouch's swf wolf 4 fighter/6 ranger/ 10 druid, and loved it. Does the wolf have synergy with vistanti knife? Should I use a two-handed weapon with power attack?

Ignore Fuckwit. He must be having a bad day.

You might be better served by taking a look on the DDO Forums.
  

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Re: Wolf build request
Reply #3 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:07pm
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Technomage wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 10:41am:
Ignore Fuckwit. He must be having a bad day.

You might be better served by taking a look on the DDO Forums.



Go to the DDO Forums?  That’s what you tell someone who has left the DDO forums in search of real build advice from the 1%?

Shame.
  

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Re: Wolf build request
Reply #4 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 6:25pm
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Gunga wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:07pm:
Go to the DDO Forums?  That’s what you tell someone who has left the DDO forums in search of real build advice from the 1%?

Shame.

Nobody's helped him yet...not even the 1%ers.

I'm sure Tilomere would have some good advice but I haven't seen him here in a bit.
  

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Re: Wolf build request
Reply #5 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 9:37pm
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Shypup wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
Could someone suggest a winter wolf build? I used to play a variation of Lelouch's swf wolf 4 fighter/6 ranger/ 10 druid, and loved it. Does the wolf have synergy with vistanti knife? Should I use a two-handed weapon with power attack?


8 Druid 6 Cleric 6 Fighter - Winter Wolf THF w/Mauls

Starting Stats (36 pts, PDK)

Str: 18
Dex: 10
Con: 14
Int: 10
Wis: 10
Cha: 15

1 Fighter: Power Attack, (Cleave)
2 Druid: -
3 Druid: Completionist, (Bear Form)
4 Druid: {Level-up: Strength}
5 Cleric: (Follower of Silvanus)
6 Cleric: Natural Fighting, (Animal Domain)
7 Cleric: -
8 Cleric: {Level-up: Strength}
9 Cleric: Natural Fighting
10 Cleric: (Blessing of Silvanus)
11 Fighter: (Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning)
12 Fighter: Natural Fighting, (Great Cleave), {Level-up: Strength}
13 Fighter: (Improved Critical: Bludgeoning)
14 Fighter: -
15 Fighter: Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning, (Weapon Focus: Slashing)

~ 6 Fighter 6 Cleric 3 Druid ~ at 15th level after Iconic Hero leveling; use Bear Form until 20th level, as Winter Wolf would only be more beneficial if you were to take all 8 Druid levels prior to 15th - which would ultimately put you at a performance deficit, as it costs critical profile.

16 Druid: {Level-up: Strength}
17 Druid: (Bear Form)
18 Druid: Quicken Spell
19 Druid: -
20 Druid: (Winter Wolf Form), {Level-up: Strength}
21 Epic: Overwhelming Critical
22 Epic: -
23 Epic: -
24 Epic: Precision, {Level-up: Strength}
25 Epic: -
26 Epic: (Perfect Two Weapon Fighting)
27 Epic: Epic Damage Reduction
28 Epic: (Epic Skill Focus: Hide), {Level-up: Strength}
29 Epic: (Dire Charge)
30 Epic: Sneak of Shadows, (Scion of Ethereal Plane)

~ 8 Druid 6 Fighter 6 Cleric ~ at cap

Of special note, the build runs Precision despite the taking of Power Attack; it only serves as a prerequisite to Cleave/Great Cleave, as the attack bonus and fortification bypass of Precision is far superior. Invest into Hide as you level, as the build incorporates Ethereal Plane - which empowers your sneak attack proportionately to your Hide skill. Even though you are not centered with fighter levels, you won't be running Heavy Armor; you can gear Silent Avenger (preferably light armor) instead of being forced into Crypt Raider or Knight of the Shadows. Because of this, you can benefit from much higher doublestrike and helpless damage - at the loss of a moderate amount of defense. To offset the PRR drop, Kensei allows you to raise your dodge cap to higher amounts, while benefiting from overall higher DPS. Invest into Heal, Hide, UMD, 1 point into Tumble, Balance, Concentration, and whatever else you want - it doesn't matter that much, as long as you grab the essentials.

I heavily recommend making a Blood Feast (5-Piece) sentient weapon set; every time you use Druidic Rage, you gain 1,000 temporary HP. This additional shielding lasts for 10 minutes, and can be refreshed as frequently as you need it to be. Since you'll be running Prowess, swap to this new set prior to raging, and then back to your main weapon to continue DPS'ing. In terms of enhancements, run Kensei T5s and invest generously into both Nature's Warrior/Protector trees. PDK isn't worth investing too much into, apart from the initial 3 points for +20 Heal Amp - but if you have Racial APs, Action Surge is always great when used in tandem with Prowess. Divine Might is essential, as it gives a bonus to Attack as well as Damage, instead of just the latter from KTA. There's a lot of low-hanging fruit that you can grab, and a lot of the freedom is up to you.

Good luck!
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Re: Wolf build request
Reply #6 - Apr 20th, 2018 at 1:46am
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Symbiont wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 9:37pm:
Druid gets +25% competence bonus to HP from Nature's Protector already, which allows you go gear Silent Avenger (preferably light armor) instead of being forced into Crypt Raider or Knight of the Shadows.


Nature's Protector now only gives the HP bonus if you have a shield equipped AND bear form.  It's pretty amazing though.  I'm running a pure Druid jack of all trades and finding it super strong.  I think i broke 1000 hp at like level 9 or 10?  Huge defense, awesome offense (shield and dagger) using Vistani and Sky Pirate's dagger to just do crazy dmg at low levels.

I'll report back once I've got it to 30.
  
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Re: Wolf build request
Reply #7 - Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:04am
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Ulysses wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 1:46am:
Nature's Protector now only gives the HP bonus if you have a shield equipped AND bear form.

Well, shit. I wonder which aneurysm lead to the implementation of this decision. I'll change the post to reflect this later. Thanks!
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Re: Wolf build request
Reply #8 - Apr 20th, 2018 at 1:04pm
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Symbiont wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:04am:
Well, shit. I wonder which aneurysm lead to the implementation of this decision.

My thoughts exactly.

I was hoping to make a THF bear with heavy armor but now it has to be S&B. Not real happy about it.
  

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Reply #9 - Apr 20th, 2018 at 3:00pm
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Technomage wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
My thoughts exactly.

I was hoping to make a THF bear with heavy armor but now it has to be S&B. Not real happy about it.

Apart from flavor, I'm actually not convinced that druidic melees would have any sort of major advantage over their traditionalist counterparts. Twitch-fighting with THF actually places you at a quicker attack rate than even winter wolf - without the requirement of 23482394324 druid levels. At an endgame perspective regarding melee performance, while Druid gets an influx of abilities that empower and balance the character in almost every aspect, it gets the best of none of them: taking 20 Druid levels to acquire either capstone mitigates your critical profile. Using Vistani to offset the lack of critical profile loses 1.5x modifier scaling - for a profile that's still lower than other melee. Multiclassing druid puts you in the same place; you sacrifice most of the benefits that place animal forms above other styles to retain the benefits you'd get if you rolled a Kensei instead - with just overall less performance in general. Obviously, druid isn't meant to outperform other melee, as it's a spellcaster class with melee synergy. Though, if you intend to disregard flavor to maximize performance, it isn't the way to go (not implying that you said this was your intent, but I needed to rant for at least a bit  Grin).

On a side note, I actually think 18 Fighter 1 Barb 1 FvS Half-Orc THF is probably the single best melee you can currently roll, after the monk nerf. With Bloodrage Chrism, Blood Feast (1,000 temp HP every time you rage), Silent Avenger (disregard of stalwart defense to incorporate Barbarian Rage and this set bonus - much more DPS for only a moderate decrease in defense) and barb non-WAI scaling, there's just way too much utility and damage you'd get from this split. I just hope SSG follows through with their promise to "better balance melee as a whole" after the monk adjustments, but an entire country inexplicitly suffering simultaneous brain hemorrhages seems like a more probable outcome.
  
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Reply #10 - Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:06pm
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What’s the barb scaling not working?
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:56pm
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SpaceGoat wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:06pm:
What’s the barb scaling not working?


Fight Club.
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 20th, 2018 at 11:19pm
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Teth wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Fight Club.

Pm please. Knew you from when you were in revenants if you need a vouch
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Reply #13 - Apr 21st, 2018 at 8:29pm
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what level do you take barb and fvs lvl?
  
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Reply #14 - Apr 21st, 2018 at 11:54pm
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Symbiont wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:04am:
Well, shit. I wonder which aneurysm lead to the implementation of this decision. I'll change the post to reflect this later. Thanks!

Thinking it was to keep you from having a monk bear with that extra crap ton of HPs.
  

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Reply #15 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 1:11am
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Toke wrote on Apr 21st, 2018 at 11:54pm:
Thinking it was to keep you from having a monk bear with that extra crap ton of HPs.

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Reply #16 - Apr 27th, 2018 at 9:11am
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At level 23 right now.
A couple questions.

When do you use Rage of the Beast?
It dispells Stalwart Defense, so when do you use this?

What version of Stalwart Defense do you use, CON, STR?

I have to be raged at all times to do decent damage, not that my HP is bad when Stalwart gets dispelled, but still wondering.
  

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Reply #17 - Apr 27th, 2018 at 3:24pm
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Halfmaniac wrote on Apr 27th, 2018 at 9:11am:
At level 23 right now.
A couple questions.

When do you use Rage of the Beast?
It dispells Stalwart Defense, so when do you use this?

What version of Stalwart Defense do you use, CON, STR?

I have to be raged at all times to do decent damage, not that my HP is bad when Stalwart gets dispelled, but still wondering.

Honestly, it's probably better overall to just run the base Nature's Defense with Rages instead of Stalwart Defense. A lot of the build depended on being able to benefit from immense amounts of PRR/MRR/HP without being forced into Stalwart. You'd lose HP, but you can run Light Armor with Silent Avenger, and invest into dodge cap in Kensei - while retaining a generous amount of resistance rating. Going to make one more edit to the earlier post regarding this.
  
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Reply #18 - May 7th, 2018 at 4:44pm
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Symbiont wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
On a side note, I actually think 18 Fighter 1 Barb 1 FvS Half-Orc THF


curious if you plan to post build for this?
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 2:09am
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S_O_B wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 4:44pm:
curious if you plan to post build for this?


I assume he meant something similar to the following, although I was lazy and this isn't fully optimized. All credit goes to Symbiont, I pretty much just copied and pasted what he posted which saved me a lot of effort.

18 fighter/1 barbarian/1 favored soul

horc, 36 point build

Str: 18
Dex: 10
Con: 16
Int: 10
Wis: 8
Cha: 14

1 Fighter: power attack, (cleave)
2 Barbarian: -
3 Favored Soul: two handed fighting
4 Fighter: weapon focus: slashing, {Level-up: Strength}
5 Fighter: -
6 Fighter: Completionist, (Tactical Training)
7 Fighter: -
8 Fighter: (improved thf), {Level-up: Strength}
9 Fighter: gcleave
10 Fighter: (tactical combatant)
11 Fighter: -
12 Fighter: improved crit: slashing, (greater thf), {Level-up: Strength}
13 Fighter: -
14 Fighter: (tactical master)
15 Fighter: greater weapon focus: slashing
16 Fighter: (weapon specialization: slashing), {Level-up: Strength}
17 Fighter: -
18 Fighter: dodge, (tactical supremacy)
19 Fighter: -
20 Fighter: (mobility), {Level-up: Strength}
21 Epic: overwhelming critical
22 Epic: -
23 Epic: -
24 Epic: precision, {Level-up: Strength}
25 Epic: -
26 Epic: (perfect two weapon fighting)
27 Epic: Epic Damage Reduction or whatever you want
28 Epic: (Epic Skill Focus: Hide), {Level-up: Strength}
29 Epic: (Dire Charge)
30 Epic: Sneak of Shadows, (Scion of Ethereal Plane)

Run prowess with Blood Feast as swap in (1,000 temp HP every time you rage), Bloodrage Chrism, Silent Avenger (disregard of stalwart defense to incorporate Barbarian Rage and this set bonus). Invest in hide when leveling. Don't forget to swap in char items for dmight. You're mostly investing in kensei and horc racial tree (although a lot of the points in your racial tree come from racial points anyways) and taking some low hanging fruit from the barb, fvs, and other fighter trees.

Please note that I didn't put the feats or leveling in any particular order, you can switch them around quite a bit if you'd rather have certain feats (the feats that're required for the kensei enh, for example) earlier when leveling. If anyone has any suggestions for changes or notices any lazy mistakes I made feel free to speak up.

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Reply #20 - Jun 6th, 2018 at 6:25pm
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Symbiont wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 9:37pm:
8 Druid 6 Cleric 6 Fighter - Winter Wolf THF w/Mauls

Starting Stats (36 pts, PDK)

Str: 18
Dex: 10
Con: 14
Int: 10
Wis: 10
Cha: 15

1 Fighter: Power Attack, (Cleave)
2 Druid: -
3 Druid: Completionist, (Bear Form)
4 Druid: {Level-up: Strength}
5 Cleric: (Follower of Silvanus)
6 Cleric: Natural Fighting, (Animal Domain)
7 Cleric: -
8 Cleric: {Level-up: Strength}
9 Cleric: Natural Fighting
10 Cleric: (Blessing of Silvanus)
11 Fighter: (Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning)
12 Fighter: Natural Fighting, (Great Cleave), {Level-up: Strength}
13 Fighter: (Improved Critical: Bludgeoning)
14 Fighter: -
15 Fighter: Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning, (Weapon Focus: Slashing)

~ 6 Fighter 6 Cleric 3 Druid ~ at 15th level after Iconic Hero leveling; use Bear Form until 20th level, as Winter Wolf would only be more beneficial if you were to take all 8 Druid levels prior to 15th - which would ultimately put you at a performance deficit, as it costs critical profile.

16 Druid: {Level-up: Strength}
17 Druid: (Bear Form)
18 Druid: Quicken Spell
19 Druid: -
20 Druid: (Winter Wolf Form), {Level-up: Strength}
21 Epic: Overwhelming Critical
22 Epic: -
23 Epic: -
24 Epic: Precision, {Level-up: Strength}
25 Epic: -
26 Epic: (Perfect Two Weapon Fighting)
27 Epic: Epic Damage Reduction
28 Epic: (Epic Skill Focus: Hide), {Level-up: Strength}
29 Epic: (Dire Charge)
30 Epic: Sneak of Shadows, (Scion of Ethereal Plane)

~ 8 Druid 6 Fighter 6 Cleric ~ at cap

Of special note, the build runs Precision despite the taking of Power Attack; it only serves as a prerequisite to Cleave/Great Cleave, as the attack bonus and fortification bypass of Precision is far superior. Invest into Hide as you level, as the build incorporates Ethereal Plane - which empowers your sneak attack proportionately to your Hide skill. Even though you are not centered with fighter levels, you won't be running Heavy Armor; you can gear Silent Avenger (preferably light armor) instead of being forced into Crypt Raider or Knight of the Shadows. Because of this, you can benefit from much higher doublestrike and helpless damage - at the loss of a moderate amount of defense. To offset the PRR drop, Kensei allows you to raise your dodge cap to higher amounts, while benefiting from overall higher DPS. Invest into Heal, Hide, UMD, 1 point into Tumble, Balance, Concentration, and whatever else you want - it doesn't matter that much, as long as you grab the essentials.

I heavily recommend making a Blood Feast (5-Piece) sentient weapon set; every time you use Druidic Rage, you gain 1,000 temporary HP. This additional shielding lasts for 10 minutes, and can be refreshed as frequently as you need it to be. Since you'll be running Prowess, swap to this new set prior to raging, and then back to your main weapon to continue DPS'ing. In terms of enhancements, run Kensei T5s and invest generously into both Nature's Warrior/Protector trees. PDK isn't worth investing too much into, apart from the initial 3 points for +20 Heal Amp - but if you have Racial APs, Action Surge is always great when used in tandem with Prowess. Divine Might is essential, as it gives a bonus to Attack as well as Damage, instead of just the latter from KTA. There's a lot of low-hanging fruit that you can grab, and a lot of the freedom is up to you.

Good luck!
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could you do an enhancement break down on this?
  
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Re: Wolf build request
Reply #22 - Jan 14th, 2019 at 1:57pm
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Seems barb wolves are the best

Str: 18 rest wathever

Lv 1 barb PA swap for precision at cap, or not, because barb has improved PA
Lv 2 Druid
Lv 3 Druid - Completionist
Lv 4 Druid
Lv 5 Druid
Lv 6 Druid - Natural Fighting
Lv 7 Druid
Lv 8 Druid
Lv 9 Druid - Natural Fighting
Lv 10 Barb
Lv 11 Barb
Lv 12 Cleric or Fvs - IC
Lv 13 Barb
Lv 14 Barb
Lv 15 Barb - Natural Fighting
Lv 16 Barb
Lv 17 Barb
Lv 18 wathever - Sneak of Shadows
Lv 19 wathever
Lv 20 wathever

Going 11 barb gives you greater rage, 1% more DR
Going more druid gives you more spells
Going more divine gives you nothing really

Lv 21 - OC
Lv 24 - wathever, maybe precision so you have both
Lv 26 - PTWF
Lv 27 - Blinding speed
Lv 28 - Tactician
Lv 29 - Dire charge
Lv 30 - Ethereal and wathever

Enhancements pick what you find useful, you have IQ, just giving general directions:
FB tier 5
Natures warrior tier 4
Nature's protector for Primal Beast
War soul divine might
Ravaged IPA? has ap for that maybe not, if no dump PA for precision


Build doesn't have a lot of AoE but it's what everyone is running at endgame for nuts DPS
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