Carpone wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 7:31am:


Long shadow is insanely good because of Assassin's Sentience: Melee and Missile attacks deal an additional 4d6 +1d6 per character epic level in acid damage and works with BOTH hands for TWF also you get 10 MP as well. 49 acid dmg per hand with doublestrike beats 5 or even 10 additional mp at all times (exactly 167 acid dmg per hit for a tempest).

yardarm_ wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 8:46am:

167 is the result of counting 100 doublestrike as 100% uptime. Non-1k or reaper boosted results in 154.  Reaper scaling affects each 1d6 individually. Resulting in you being a retarded faggot who should kill himself.

5mp scales with weapon profiles, doublestrikes, dust, suffering, rebuke, jade strike, and vacuum, while also being 100% up time.

yardarm_ wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 7:30pm:

Damn casuals think they get to keep up killer 100% of time in all scenarios.

Why are you so bad at posting and ddo? Don't make me come to your server and embarrass you in front of all your friends.

Say a Tempest does 180 a hit before weapon profiles or doublestrike, or any debuffs. You dumb lil nigga. At 200 mp, 205 mp makes that a 9 point base damage gain. This may surprise you, but weapon profiles on a Tempest almost double that 9 base into 17 on average after critical scaling~.

That 17 damage scales with any number of debuffs. Let's go yolo and use all of them. Rebuke/Jade/Consec/Vac/Dust/Suffering is a 2.17 modifier.

116 damage after both hands of doublestrike are calculated in per attack.

On reaper 10 that is 10 an attack on average.

And stop saying per hit after you are calculating in doublestrike on both hands... How retarded can you get right now. It's per attack, you non-dpsing motherfucker. Stick to your VORPALS OMG!!!

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 8:25am:

I’ve seen a few tanks that take some swipes at KT dragon to apply threat, then turtle up and timmy when needed. Seems to work better at keeping her from spinning on the DPS.
Is there any practical observation to this?

I agree with Carp, DPS needs to be giving it their all despite a shit tank.
I don’t want to slot Treachry dethreat for a 10MP loss.

StratleThot wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 12:25pm:



Who besides Snookie holds aggro with threat?

yardarm_ wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 4:09pm:


We are going to get through this together, I promise you. I'm not leaving you behind in such a state. I can't, as a human being, allow you to remain this way. Your friends have failed you.

Here we go. First, we can start by saying all your values are wrong and you should throw out all your assumptions, because they have only ever lead you to where you are now.

After r10 debuff hits 49 acid damage on average. It turns into 4.0x. Not 4.9. There is a great resource that Foppy provided with a google doc that contains various relevant information for reaper. You can take 49 and multiply it by the reaper debuff of 0.081x. We will not have to go over this again.

The value of 4 x 1.75, and 4 x 1.41 is around 11 acid damage an attack on average. The doublestrike value is the maximum sustained doublestrike currently possible on a tempest, and only on a scourge. 

I can now walk you through the work of the mp math and how weapon profiles and physical damage debuffs work.

The difference between the sum of 180 ( raw damage ) x 3.0 multiplier ( 200 MP ), and the sum of 180 x 3.05 is exactly 9. You can use any mp value there of 100 200 300 etc.

Let's take that 9 and put it through what your weapon does to melee power and base damage. Soul and Whelm profile. Average : 360 / 20 = 18 damage per hit of your weapon.

Bit higher if factoring in that seeker +20 onto the base damage of 180. 5mp increase on 200 damage is 10. Average:      386 / 20 = 19.3 damage per hit of your weapon.


18 through the 2.14 multiplier of debuffs and buffs is 38. Then doublestrikes on each hand/weapon and we get to 121 on average per attack for both hands and both doublestrike sources. 121 x 0.08196721311 is 9 damage per attack on average inside of r10.

For 10 mp : 32 through the 2.14 multiplier of debuffs and buffs is 68. Then doublestrikes on each hand/weapon and we get to 216 on average per attack for both hands and both doublestrike sources. 216 x 0.08196721311 is 17 damage per attack on average inside of r10.


I didn't even use seeker. You are welcome to average that in and get an even bigger value in favor of base damage. And 10mp is even more than. The acid damage is superior on trash, but not on long debuffed beatdowns that take more than a couple of minutes. There are more scenarios than your "in all situations always" claimed. And Definitely not the statement you made of "even 10 melee power is less".

StratleThot wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 4:46pm:


I've seen a guildy hold threat agro. Though he wasn't really the tank either so it was an issue.

yardarm_ wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2019 at 2:25pm:


Man you're getting soft, tried suicide yet? Fran doesn't believe anything anyone tells him already. He's got an opinion on anything and everything and everyone else is stupid.

wolff wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2019 at 7:44pm:


I went scourge for the 20 hamp and 5 doublestrike at 6 ap. http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1533080274/49#49

Symbiont wrote on Sep 5^th, 2018 at 3:02pm:



Quiver of Alacrity

also only ranged speed

Techno Beaver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:44am:

there can be only one