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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #200 - Mar 24^th, 2019 at 11:28am	Print Post
	WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2019 at 11:46am: ATM heavy armour is not so great. BTW, This point is largely due to silent avenger set. It is superior for DPS than any other gearing option and because it includes armor, forces you into light DPS builds, and because of the cloak and belt, into ethereal/hide/sneak builds. (Which happen to have synergy with the current R10 meta). They have a strong synergy, but the silent avenger and the 15% DS is the lynch pin. KT on higher skulls actually favors higher MRR because of the non-evadable magic damage, which would work better for a medium/heavy armor PRR/MRR DPS build.


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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5986 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #201 - Mar 25^th, 2019 at 4:55am	Print Post
	Evasion is much better than mrr in most contexts. KT is one the rare places with unavoidable damage.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #202 - Mar 25^th, 2019 at 9:48am	Print Post
	WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 4:55am: Evasion is much better than mrr in most contexts. KT is one the rare places with unavoidable damage. There are very few contexts for evasion in content that matters. High dodge is way more important, honestly, than evasion.


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StratleThot Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 34 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2018	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #203 - Mar 25^th, 2019 at 10:59am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 9:48am: There are very few contexts for evasion in content that matters.� �High dodge is way more important, honestly, than evasion. Agreed, besides you can easily max MRR at 100, but dodge is lacking even for sexy dexy tempest. MDB caps me at 24%(Without wasting almighty twists on lithe) So the only line of defense I can continue to slowly improve is PRR (ATM standing 224PRR on the ship; with 5 more points left on the table) And MP is pretty much capped as well(144 standing on ship, no buffs). Unless I can ever find that elusive mythic nightshard scimmy, and/or mythic Flow... Silent Avenger is what fuels tempests. Otherwise a ho-hum fighter outperforms.� I�m interested to see how Sharn changes this...and hopefully I can keep dexing. Yes, golf bag is somewhat extensive; mob, beaters, revigs, affirmation and hammers, and now dusters; fml
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #204 - Mar 25^th, 2019 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	Finally used the free 20 heart on me kensei to get back to tempest. Twf fighter is so so, imp trip, 150 dire charge or sap and sunder is fun but doesnt really matter much to be fair. It's all about avoidance + helpless aoe damage with proper group, isn't it ? But holy fucking shit, wanted to try vanguard - I couldn't stand the shitty deeps and buggy abilities anymore. It's the dod with all the clicky crap ( like executes or anvil ) - it's like twice the AOE output of my pretty much maxed twf barbie. Plus 28 dodge and 100+ reflex with evasion. (Self) hjealing is just a bonus. Don't get me wrong, I love all melee classes except the tardbard but there's not much going for the fighter.
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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #205 - Mar 25^th, 2019 at 2:32pm	Print Post
	StratleThot wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 10:59am: you can easily max MRR at 100 How are you capping MRR? MRR: 7 Tempest cores 10 Tempest Dervish 52 Invisible Cloak of Strahd 2 Prowess PRR (rare) 2-4 Mythic armor 1-3 Mythic hat 1-3 Mythic cloak � 71-81, depending on the asinine randomized loot distribution model Even if you assume one Warlock PL for Completionist, it's not close to being capped.� I�m only at 96 because of 18 INS MRR on a Cannith crafted ring while I play gear tetris.�


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #206 - Mar 25^th, 2019 at 2:54pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 2:32pm: How are you capping MRR? Pastlives


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StratleThot Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 34 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2018	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #207 - Mar 25^th, 2019 at 3:11pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 2:32pm: How are you capping MRR? MRR: 7 Tempest cores 10 Tempest Dervish 52 Invisible Cloak of Strahd 2 Prowess PRR (rare) 2-4 Mythic armor 1-3 Mythic hat 1-3 Mythic cloak � 71-81, depending on the asinine randomized loot distribution model Even if you assume one Warlock PL for Completionist, it's not close to being capped.� I�m only at 96 because of 18 INS MRR on a Cannith crafted ring while I play gear tetris.� Below are noted differences: -Mythic Shadowhail cloak (+3MRR) -Van Richtens Gogs (+52 MRR) -Other various mythic/Reaper gear bonuses equal to +10MRR -No Prowess PRR/MRR fili (takes away from dps) -Tempest improved defense (+3MRR) -3x Warlock PLs (+9MRR) -Reaper Def V (+1MRR) (not including Rpr Def VI) -Also D.Gnome PLs (tho I do not have them, because I�m MRR capped) -+2 MRR tomes( out of possible 4) So there are plenty of MRR sources out there to cap a light armor build, even without Reaper/mythic bonuses. 11MRR more is on the table, but I won�t pursue them since I�m capped. If I ever went heavy/tank, sure I�d go pick em up.


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StratleThot Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 34 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2018	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #208 - Mar 25^th, 2019 at 3:16pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 2:54pm: Pastlives Yes, there is 18MRR in PLs, but I only have 9 of those. Dirty little gnomes...


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #209 - Mar 25^th, 2019 at 3:30pm	Print Post
	StratleThot wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 3:11pm: No Prowess PRR/MRR fili (takes away from dps) There is not a choice on prowess. it is either prr/mrr or off stat in str/dex. 5 out of the following : attack and damage critical confirmation melee power dex str prr mrr I took prr for the 5th filigree. A second Slaver blank has Q mrr, and the other Q prr. Puts me at 92 mrr, or 97 with the 1 hour candy. Still dex based for higher Parry and reflexes. On a no life, or without any relevant past lives character, I get the following stats. With 46 reaper ap, and 2 racial ap. 220 prr tenser'd in reaper + blitzing. 92 mrr. 113 dire charge. 2300 hp. 13.5k dps. Assuming Sharn raises some of these values. I wouldn't bother gearing seriously right now. Better off waiting until previews for the loot are revealed.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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StratleThot Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 34 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2018	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #210 - Mar 25^th, 2019 at 4:03pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 3:30pm: There is not a choice on prowess. it is either prr/mrr or off stat in str/dex. 5 out of the following : attack and damage critical confirmation melee power dex str prr mrr I took prr for the 5th filigree. A second Slaver blank has Q mrr, and the other Q prr. Puts me at 92 mrr, or 97 with the 1 hour candy. Still dex based for higher Parry and reflexes. On a no life, or without any relevant past lives character, I get the following stats. With 46 reaper ap, and 2 racial ap. 220 prr tenser'd in reaper + blitzing. 92 mrr. 113 dire charge. 2300 hp. 13.5k dps. Assuming Sharn raises some of these values. I wouldn't bother gearing seriously right now. Better off waiting until previews for the loot are revealed. Yes correct. My mistake. I must be taking Prowess PRR rare then(I�m not online to validate that) Very nice numbers for no lifer. Very viable. Now switch servers It�s all about Reaper & PLs (and only playing one toon lol). I�m seeing 254PRR blitzing 100MRR Dire Charge at 100+teens 2760HP (in Reaper)(only 58k RXP to go for queer wings, wooticles!) I haven�t clit measured myself in 6mos, but I�m fairly certain it is still south of 20k, idk Yep, I run some casual gear farming just for slight improvements, but no re-rolls til Sharn.� Other than that, gear options is moot for now.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #211 - Mar 25^th, 2019 at 4:19pm	Print Post
	StratleThot wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 4:03pm: I haven�t clit measured myself in 6mos, but I�m fairly certain it is still south of 20k, idk Has got to be higher. Assuming 6 months ago Prowess was still at 50 MP. We now have Dust swap, and Ooze swap for stacking 45% physical damage. Tempest is one of the classes best suited for in game use of all the damage buffing the prr weapons provide. It's just too easy to apply and maintain on 2 weapon fighting set ups with high hit rates and attack speeds. The real strength of a Tempest is that it gets to be hyper aggressive when initiating encounters against trash. DoD is a cone of no save CC that affects every monster type.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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StratleThot Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 34 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2018	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #212 - Mar 25^th, 2019 at 4:49pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 4:19pm: Has got to be higher... Good point, I need to get pre-Sharn benchmarks to measure against post-Sharn data. I remember 18.6k 6 mos ago. It very well is probably +20k now. Added to this week's To-Do list...Thanks


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #213 - Mar 26^th, 2019 at 11:25am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 4:19pm: The real strength of a Tempest is that it gets to be hyper aggressive when initiating encounters against trash. DoD is a cone of no save CC that affects every monster type.� I don't really care about initiating encounters against trash aggressively or killing trash in general. Most of the groups I'm in, the FvS, Sorc, Wiz, or Warlock handles that shit. It's about all they are useful for in the raids anyways. And I'm not building an entire character around performance in R7-R10 6 man content. That'd be like a basketball player focusing on being really great in practice instead of the games. I care about is the best melee DPS build for staying alive while doing maximum DPS against Marut/Nytherios/LoB/Kor Kaza in KT, Portals/Part 2 Reds/Harry/part 5 reds/Rakshasa/Book in Shroud, Rahadin/Shdows of Hate/Strahd in Strahd, Red Crows/Baba in Baba and that's about it. Is there other content that you actually need to build for? Maybe I'm forgetting something off the cuff.


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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #214 - Mar 26^th, 2019 at 1:12pm	Print Post
	Fuck mrr you got evasion and you can twist energy sheath if you really need it


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #215 - Mar 26^th, 2019 at 3:39pm	Print Post
	yardarm_ wrote on Mar 26^th, 2019 at 1:12pm: Fuck mrr you got evasion and you can twist energy sheath if you really need it� KT orb damage is what energy type?


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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #216 - Mar 26^th, 2019 at 7:35pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Mar 26^th, 2019 at 11:25am: I don't really care about initiating encounters against trash aggressively or killing trash in general.� �Most of the groups I'm in, the FvS, Sorc, Wiz, or Warlock handles that shit.� �It's about all they are useful for in the raids anyways.� �And I'm not building an entire character around performance in R7-R10 6 man content.� �That'd be like a basketball player focusing on being really great in practice instead of the games. I care about is the best melee DPS build for staying alive while doing maximum DPS against Marut/Nytherios/LoB/Kor Kaza in KT, Portals/Part 2 Reds/Harry/part 5 reds/Rakshasa/Book in Shroud, Rahadin/Shdows of Hate/Strahd in Strahd, Red Crows/Baba in Baba and that's about it.� Is there other content that you actually need to build for?� Maybe I'm forgetting something off the cuff.� If that is the case you only need wolves and anything else is a waste, except one guy� doing the debuffs, but the casters should handle that. And yes evasion sucks, most of the magical damage that kills you is champion dot, dragon bolt, meteor, force missile, kt stuff, and shit like this. And these spells are more comom in newer content, that is, since raveloft. Heavy armor sucks because avenger and because the 2 clases that use it, fighter and paladin, aren't in a good spot (fighter is nice but as said ranger does everything fighter does and have DoD, and even than, monk fighter is better than pure, so the class problem holds).
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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #217 - Mar 27^th, 2019 at 2:06am	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Mar 26^th, 2019 at 7:35pm: If that is the case you only need wolves and anything else is a waste, except one guy� doing the debuffs, but the casters should handle that. And yes evasion sucks, most of the magical damage that kills you is champion dot, dragon bolt, meteor, force missile, kt stuff, and shit like this. And these spells are more comom in newer content, that is, since raveloft. Heavy armor sucks because avenger and because the 2 clases that use it, fighter and paladin, aren't in a good spot (fighter is nice but as said ranger does everything fighter does and have DoD, and even than, monk fighter is better than pure, so the class problem holds). evasion is better than mrr wtf ? you only need to avoid the lightning dmg in kt because it's the only thing that really kills you and you can avoid anything else if you are smart and not retarded


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UnknownBuilder Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 359 Joined: Mar 4^th, 2019	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #218 - Mar 27^th, 2019 at 8:45am	Print Post
	trash


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DnD Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 155 Joined: Dec 3^rd, 2014	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #219 - Mar 27^th, 2019 at 4:21pm	Print Post
	Anybody using Astral Plane on pure Tempest? too much dps loss compared Ethereal or Arborea?


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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #220 - Mar 27^th, 2019 at 4:29pm	Print Post
	DnD wrote on Mar 27^th, 2019 at 4:21pm: Anybody using Astral Plane on pure Tempest? too much dps loss compared Ethereal or Arborea? ethernal + sneak of shadows for max dps


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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #221 - Mar 27^th, 2019 at 5:18pm	Print Post
	gear wise i went with... helm: executioner armor: mist laiden vestment goggles: precision lenses bracers: fallen hero boots: softsole (only for ghostly because cloak is missing it) cloak: cloak of strahd for mrr (can slot hide augment here) gloves: molten silver belt: braided cutcord ring 1: nightfall ring 2: ring of prowess trinket : crafted con/hamp/ins wis necklace: fleetfoot silent avenger + adherent of mists sets
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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #222 - Mar 28^th, 2019 at 8:43am	Print Post
	WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 4:55am: Evasion is much better than mrr in most contexts. KT is one the rare places with unavoidable damage. You can have both 100 mrr and evasion


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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #223 - Mar 28^th, 2019 at 6:18pm	Print Post
	yardarm_ wrote on Mar 27^th, 2019 at 2:06am: evasion is better than mrr wtf ? you only need to avoid the lightning dmg in kt because it's the only thing that really kills you and you can avoid anything else if you are smart and not retarded� Seems the basics failed for you didn't they? https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Suck


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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #224 - Mar 29^th, 2019 at 2:25am	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Mar 28^th, 2019 at 6:18pm: Seems the basics failed for you didn't they? https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Suck I am kidding ofc you need mrr and its easy to get it maxed too on a ranger so why not


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