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PK Arrow build?
Sep 3rd, 2018 at 12:57pm
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There was a build a while back that used the Arcane Archer's Phantasmal Killer with a very high DC. Did this build get nerfed, or is it still viable?
  

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Reply #1 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 2:49pm
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The one that was with a repeater did.
  

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Reply #2 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 3:51pm
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I understood the repeater build never worked, since a lot of the bonuses and things only applied to a longbow anyway.

Edit: Found an old thread mentioning the change. That's fine. Does that make the build totally dead?
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Reply #3 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 10:00pm
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I was in an active period when those were hot so I played a couple versions. I tried a bard version once for enchantment dc's but it was slow as fuck. I think I liked the shuriken version when imbues would work but that's no longer.

The Terror arrows are wis based DC which pairs nicely with 10k and Killer/Deadly Instinct from Falcon Punch. The pre-fix Terror imbue builds hunted vorpals with repeaters or shuriken and the rate of fire on the bow will be inferior.

I think the best thing is probably to build a wis based slayer arrow 10k/manyshot AA and enjoy the super high imbue dc's that come with it. Unfortunately Deadly Instinct boosts tactical dc's and imbues are enchantment.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 4th, 2018 at 12:54pm
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gibbon wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 10:00pm:
I was in an active period when those were hot so I played a couple versions. I tried a bard version once for enchantment dc's but it was slow as fuck. I think I liked the shuriken version when imbues would work but that's no longer.

The Terror arrows are wis based DC which pairs nicely with 10k and Killer/Deadly Instinct from Falcon Punch. The pre-fix Terror imbue builds hunted vorpals with repeaters or shuriken and the rate of fire on the bow will be inferior.


Imbues no longer work with anything other than bows, so while the rate of fire might be lower but its not gonna proc on anything elese.


gibbon wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 10:00pm:
I think the best thing is probably to build a wis based slayer arrow 10k/manyshot AA and enjoy the super high imbue dc's that come with it. Unfortunately Deadly Instinct boosts tactical dc's and imbues are enchantment.


What's the level split? I'm sure I can build high enough DCs these days. Also I don't really need to be top-tear, just looking for something fun and new. The nice part about this build is the DPS is still decent even when PK isn't procing.
  

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Re: PK Arrow build?
Reply #5 - Sep 4th, 2018 at 5:29pm
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Short answer, yes it is still viable, but you will use paralyze more. 

Longer answer starts with what no longer works... like fearing undead.  Additionally, fear is annoying; even for those using it, and does not stop the mob attack sequence. So, if you hit with a fear during a mobs attack sequence, you still take the hit as the sequence finishes first.  With paralyze, it interrupts the attack completely.  And as a bonus, you don't get pissed off folks chasing feared mobs.


I have abandoned the max DC build for more of a ranged power build.  I can still paralyze in reaper mode with no noticeable issues.  Just bring a LGS salt bow in there and most people will love you for it.  Between super slow-mo from salt and paralyze, it is an easy way to approach reaper.
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 4th, 2018 at 6:31pm
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The worst is when you fear abashai and they blink out. Ugh.
  

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Reply #7 - Sep 4th, 2018 at 6:44pm
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Just interesting why bother? PK is terrible effect due to double save check, on heroics you have your vorpal and improved vorpal that works just superb. If you are talking about epics, well, shrugs, dont know if it ever worth to use. Fear effect is the best way to get blacklisted :-D well if it used to work on undead and some other cheese I dont know cause not playex those days, it may be interesting. But nowdays its looking super useless Sad
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 5th, 2018 at 12:32pm
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Am mostly just looking for a build I haven't played before and that has an interesting level split/gimic. The terror arrows seemed like a fun idea. What I'm hearing is that I missed the window for this one.
  

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Re: PK Arrow build?
Reply #9 - Sep 6th, 2018 at 7:43am
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I was a huge fan of the Terror Shuri build and a lesser extent the GxB build. When the inbues went Bow only I dropped the idea mostly but one of my alts hit completionist recently and he has most of the decent bows in the game so I've pondered putting him into a AA/Monkcher build but most of them seem boring anymore.

At any rate talking with a pugger recently who was using the Falconry thing led to a conversation to consider. Druid 17 Ranger 3 probably an Elf. Use the 17 Druid to run in either Water or Fire Elemental Form to take advantage of the changes with Mantle giving 100% Elemental vulnerability on Bosses. Even if you have to manually pop a spell (Creeping Cold) every minute to trigger the effect on an Ice Arrow Imbue running with a few hundred Cold Spell Power that should tick along nicely. If you play in Falconry and hit this as a Wisdom build you should hit by some rough calculations a standing Terror Arrow DC of 85ish to 95ish depending at cap and I know those numbers work very well on much of the trash in most of the game. Back it up with the Elemental Arrow for bosses and it should be a damn solid performer. It will be very much a gear pig and the build AP is going to be tight as Archers always seem to be but I've mapped out 2 versions to try so far. One a traditional Fury/racial AA build. One a Falconry moderate AA build.

One thing is will an arrow imbue trigger the mantle effect on it's own being that its an enchantment. I doubt this but I look forward to testing it when I can get the Falconry tree separate from the cosmetic bs pack.

The downside of the Terror Arrow thing will be the slowness of the bow attack speed and the low BAB this build will generate effecting bow speed as well so its definitely a niche thing that may not work if you decide to try something along these lines.
  
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Re: PK Arrow build?
Reply #10 - Sep 6th, 2018 at 12:20pm
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Hmmm. It does meet several criteria I am looking for, but I am a little leery of druids. The plus side is this is a build I'd be trying on heroic with an otto's rock to handle most of the heroic leveling, so if I do get to mid epics and find it's just complete garbage, I can nope out of it easily enough.

How do you suspect such a build will fair in early to mid epics? I don't really care how any build behaves at cap since I TR the second I hit 30.

Also, one more small stumbling block: I need to be a dwarf to finish my last dwarf life Tongue Its still tempting to try. going to have to read up on druid a little. I sort of hate druids Tongue lol
  

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Reply #11 - Sep 6th, 2018 at 3:05pm
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With Falconry in the mix, I was thinking about reworking my old imbue shuriken build into a 14 Cleric/6 Monk Bow build with racial AA.
  

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Reply #12 - Sep 6th, 2018 at 4:00pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 6th, 2018 at 3:05pm:
With Falconry in the mix, I was thinking about reworking my old imbue shuriken build into a 14 Cleric/6 Monk Bow build with racial AA.

War domain and holy sword? That's the only way I can think to get in competence threat and multi without ranger or fighter or a shitty T5.

So the real question is whether there's any ap for warpriest. Ameliorating shot seems handy. Vulnerable stacks too on the smite.
  
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