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Reply #100 - Feb 20th, 2019 at 12:06pm
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Asheras wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 9:30am:
Did he confirm he was laid off?  I see someone asked the question, but I didn't see him reply.

why would he need to reply? only the obtuse need further confirmation.


Asheras wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 9:30am:
All you have presented so far is one guy leaving SSG in mid-december, with no reason given.

you haven't been paying attention & since subtle doesn't work with you...

Ben "DrOctothorpe" Schneider
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bschneider-gamedev/
Darel Chastain
https://www.linkedin.com/in/darel-chastain-3574211/
Todd DeMelle
https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-demelle-4583371/

all with SSG up until December 2018.

what could only be "resignations" in your mind... all conveniently happened at exactly the same time as Daybreaks December cuts:
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/12/08/daybreak-game-company-layoffs/


Asheras wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 9:30am:
You have 25 posts on an account that last posted in 2015.  You haven't established any credibility to justify people taking you at your word.

U mad?
who cares if i am new, my info is good.

Asheras wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 9:30am:
A first 30-60 days intern can fetch coffee and maybe do some testing and write up bug reports.   That's about it.  They aren't a replacement for an actual content developer.   

never said they were.  next.
  
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Reply #101 - Feb 20th, 2019 at 12:27pm
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Turbine/SSG has a long history of shooting itself in the foot, because the leadership and to some extent the development team in general doesn't understand the requests or desires of the player base.   

My favorite was Green Steel.   One of the most liked systems introduced to the game.   Player's complained that farming specific ingredients sucked (Shard of Power - Chipmunk Funk).   To be filed under "be careful what you wish for" the improvement was Dragontouched Armor.   I still remember sitting completely dumbstruck when a Developer was explaining that one to me and how it was "mandated" by a Senior Producer who knew exactly how the player base wanted to improve Green Steel.   Green Steel and Dragontouched is the same system at different points - the original design of Dragontouched was more in line with Green Steel but "simplified" as the module got closer to release by replacing farming of ingredients with farming random shards that we had no idea what they were until putting them on the armor.   Rune of Ooze Guard for the WIN!   Yeah that was a great change.   
Even when they understood they had fucked up the system yeah think they'd fix it?   Nah, let the player base be unhappy for three years and then when Dragontouched is almost a completely irrelevant system make some changes, as fixing it would be acknowledging they screwed up in the first place. 

As for the current staffing at SSG here is my question for you.    SSG parted ways with the lead developer of LOTRO, art department, a LOTRO World Builder, and from this thread a couple of other bodies in December.   Why has Daybreak Games advertised / searched for a Lead Developer, new 3d Artists, and a Content Designer for their studio in Needham MA in the past month if laying those people off were simply a cost cutting move?
I mean why hire a HR Coordinator and why hire multiple Customer Service Representative or Game Masters in Needham as well?
  
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Reply #102 - Feb 20th, 2019 at 1:03pm
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hyplo wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 12:27pm:
As for the current staffing at SSG here is my question for you.    SSG parted ways with the lead developer of LOTRO, art department, a LOTRO World Builder, and from this thread a couple of other bodies in December.   Why has Daybreak Games advertised / searched for a Lead Developer, new 3d Artists, and a Content Designer for their studio in Needham MA in the past month if laying those people off were simply a cost cutting move?
I mean why hire a HR Coordinator and why hire multiple Customer Service Representative or Game Masters in Needham as well?

i am only seeing one temp position and one HR position listed?  where are you looking?

also how up to speed are you on the whole Renova > Columbus Nova > Daybreak clusterfuck?  not gonna unpack that beast again, but here is cursory read:
https://massivelyop.com/2018/04/24/daybreaks-russian-parent-companys-assets-are-...

any answer has to take the above into consideration.  the company is radioactive like Chernobyl.
  
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Re: Severlin Siteings
Reply #103 - Feb 20th, 2019 at 1:28pm
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EVC wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 12:06pm:


That's 3.  Not five.  You can't count.  Next.
  
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Reply #104 - Feb 20th, 2019 at 1:30pm
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EVC wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 1:03pm:
i am only seeing one temp position and one HR position listed?  where are you looking?


Those postings have already been removed, they were up for about a month.

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also how up to speed are you on the whole Renova > Columbus Nova > Daybreak clusterfuck?  not gonna unpack that beast again, but here is cursory read:
https://massivelyop.com/2018/04/24/daybreaks-russian-parent-companys-assets-are-...

any answer has to take the above into consideration.  the company is radioactive like Chernobyl.


And why would that matter today?  Nantworks has a controlling interest in Daybreak games.   The invested, maybe even out right bought the entire company, in September 2018.
  
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Reply #105 - Feb 20th, 2019 at 1:35pm
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hyplo wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 12:27pm:
As for the current staffing at SSG here is my question for you.    SSG parted ways with the lead developer of LOTRO, art department, a LOTRO World Builder, and from this thread a couple of other bodies in December.   Why has Daybreak Games advertised / searched for a Lead Developer, new 3d Artists, and a Content Designer for their studio in Needham MA in the past month if laying those people off were simply a cost cutting move?
I mean why hire a HR Coordinator and why hire multiple Customer Service Representative or Game Masters in Needham as well?


Reduction in head count by layoff can often lead to voluntary exits by people in roles that were desired to be retained.  That can lead to a job search shortly after layoffs.   Or even recalling a laid off employee, depending on the skill sets and the roles.  Hard to say really when all someone is doing is internet stalking twitter and linkedin, like EVC.   Grin
  
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Reply #106 - Feb 20th, 2019 at 1:53pm
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hyplo wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 12:27pm:
SSG parted ways with the lead developer of LOTRO, art department, a LOTRO World Builder, and from this thread a couple of other bodies in December.   Why has Daybreak Games advertised / searched for a Lead Developer, new 3d Artists, and a Content Designer for their studio in Needham MA in the past month if laying those people off were simply a cost cutting move?
I mean why hire a HR Coordinator and why hire multiple Customer Service Representative or Game Masters in Needham as well?


You've never worked in big companies...

Orders cometh from top : you need to readuce headcount, you can plead and all, you will end up reducing headcount, even if the order is retarded.

Basically happened where I $ORK 10ish years ago, we ended up bringing in as consultants the people that were fired the previous week.
( and they since have been hired back, and side note : firing somebody in France is a long and tedious process that takes several months, Hiring is a bit faster butnot that much, for them to be back as consultants a week after being fired means that it had been planned as soon as it was known they were on the list. )

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Reply #107 - Feb 20th, 2019 at 1:57pm
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Asheras wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 1:28pm:
That's 3.  Not five.  You can't count.

EVC wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 3:03am:
when it comes to proof, i have to pretty much stick to stuff already in the public domain

deal with it. 


hyplo wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 1:30pm:
Those postings have already been removed, they were up for about a month.

yeah have been trying to get a cached version, but no luck so far.

hyplo wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 1:30pm:
And why would that matter today?  Nantworks has a controlling interest in Daybreak games.   They invested, maybe even out right bought the entire company, in September 2018.

another umbrella holding company to the rescue...  lets hope all that Columbus Nova/Renova money is cleaned off the books.  as long as there is no audit, i am sure everything will be fine.  regardless, all these shifts help with the bookkeeping.
  
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Reply #108 - Feb 20th, 2019 at 2:09pm
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Asheras wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 1:35pm:
Reduction in head count by layoff can often lead to voluntary exits by people in roles that were desired to be retained.  That can lead to a job search shortly after layoffs.   Or even recalling a laid off employee, depending on the skill sets and the roles.  Hard to say really when all someone is doing is internet stalking twitter and linkedin, like EVC.   Grin



Yeah I know, kind of what I am trying to get at.

The other part is we are not even sure the layoff extended to SSG.    The three listed could have been shown the door or chosen to leave for other reasons.      I know there is a huge love hate relationship with the LOTRO player base and the developers at the moment and all three had connections to LOTRO.  There has been a huge dissatisfaction with the direction of the game.   
As for Daybreaks Layoffs, the original twitter posts by former Daybreak executives, including John Smedley's, suggested the number was 70 people confined to the Austin Studio as an in development and unannounced game was axed.   

The gaming industry saw something like 3.500 layoffs in December, another 1000 to 1200 since with Activision/Blizzards recent announcement.
  
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Reply #109 - Feb 21st, 2019 at 4:38pm
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EVC wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 12:06pm:
you haven't been paying attention

Me neither! Thanks. Some people worked in a place!

... Aaaand it's gone.

No big deal though. I'm sure you'll keep paying attention so we don't have to.
  

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Reply #110 - Feb 21st, 2019 at 6:26pm
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All we need is to get that 1 guy who knew how to fix hires so that they fn stand in 1 fn spot n pull 1 fn lever thats it
  
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Reply #111 - Feb 22nd, 2019 at 2:19am
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Reply #112 - Feb 22nd, 2019 at 12:17pm
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EVC wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 1:39am:
it will be interesting to see just who signs DDO's 2019 letter & you have a bout 2 weeks to wonder if Daybreaks layoffs in December 2018 had more impact at SSG, then they are comfortable letting on.


Sev sighting.  He signed the Lotro producers letter.   

This thread turned out to be a lot of tin foil hat bullshit.

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Reply #113 - Feb 22nd, 2019 at 2:54pm
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Asheras wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
Sev sighting.  He signed the Lotro producers letter.   

This thread turned out to be a lot of tin foil hat bullshit.


I hope ddo get the 64 bit client update too :S
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Reply #114 - Feb 22nd, 2019 at 5:26pm
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Asheras wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
Sev sighting.  He signed the Lotro producers letter.   

This thread turned out to be a lot of tin foil hat bullshit.



Signed it?  You mean someone claiming to be him posted it.  Did you see an actual pen and ink signature?
  
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Reply #115 - Feb 22nd, 2019 at 5:29pm
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Asheras wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
This thread turned out to be a lot of tin foil hat bullshit.

Golly.
  

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Reply #116 - Feb 22nd, 2019 at 7:49pm
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Asheras wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
Sev sighting.  He signed the Lotro producers letter.   

This thread turned out to be a lot of tin foil hat bullshit.


Yeah, because everything everybody posts on the internet is 100% true.

So clearly, nobody other than Sev himself could sign a digital letter posted on a forum because internetz!


Roll Eyes

At my company, when someone of any importance leaves, their email addresses, account logins, etc., get transferred to their manager or the person replacing them so they can handle any necessary communications. 


Note, I am not stating a specific belief in Sev's actual employment status at SSG one way or the other.  Personally, I just can't be bothered to give a shit about this.  But trying to use that as definitive proof of anything is laughable.
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Reply #117 - Feb 22nd, 2019 at 9:35pm
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lol.  You guys take all kinds of “they mention the producers letter without mentioning sev” and “he hasn’t posted since oct 15th” as clear signs and anyone disagreeing is an obtuse fan boy but then his sign off is on the letter and you have to defend your position with they laid him off but they are pretending he is still here by signing the letter with Sev.  (Which is different than your boss having access to an exiting employees login and email to resolve incoming matters.  Your boss doesn’t pretend to be the excited employee.   He/she responds to the third party with “X is no longer with us but I’m handling matters.  Here is my contact info”.   Whatever.   Some of you have crossed the rubicon of common sense. 

  
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Reply #118 - Feb 22nd, 2019 at 11:35pm
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Asheras wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 9:35pm:
lol.  You guys take all kinds of “they mention the producers letter without mentioning sev” and “he hasn’t posted since oct 15th” as clear signs and anyone disagreeing is an obtuse fan boy but then his sign off is on the letter and you have to defend your position with they laid him off but they are pretending he is still here by signing the letter with Sev.  (Which is different than your boss having access to an exiting employees login and email to resolve incoming matters.  Your boss doesn’t pretend to be the excited employee.   He/she responds to the third party with “X is no longer with us but I’m handling matters.  Here is my contact info”.   Whatever.   Some of you have crossed the rubicon of common sense. 


You fail at reading.  I'm not defending anything.  I really and truly don't care if he's still employed by them. 

If the players can come up with an even remotely plausible theory of him no longer being employeed based on a noticeable lack of public communications from him and an overdue producer's letter, he's not exactly hitting home runs in that part of his job anyway.

I just pointed out that your definitive proof is anything but definitive in the digital world.  I could literally reset any user's password I wanted and send emails as them in about 2 minutes.

Did SSG do something like that?  Maybe, maybe not.  Don't know, don't care.  But I sure as shit wouldn't put it past them given all the other idiotic, lame stuff they do sometimes.
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Reply #119 - Feb 22nd, 2019 at 11:35pm
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Asheras wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 9:35pm:
   Some of you have crossed the rubicon of common sense. 


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Reply #120 - Feb 23rd, 2019 at 2:50am
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Asheras wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
Sev sighting.  He signed the Lotro producers letter.   

This thread turned out to be a lot of tin foil hat bullshit.

and instead of just waiting it out, you got super defensive.

was it worth it?


Rincewind wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 2:54pm:
I hope ddo get the 64 bit client update too

& i hope they work on cross-server grouping tech on DDO FIRST!

might mitigate the frequency these types of requests:
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/502946-Its-time-for-a-server-merge
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/503084-Server-Merge-Think-Tank-Gatheri...
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/500148-Server-Merges?highlight=server+...

DDO has 8 servers now, right?

also don't hold your breath on that 64bit client.  i'll go out on the limb and say, not many at Lotro are.

even if they somehow do manage to put the time, money & person(s) behind getting it out.  it is no guarantee to solve a multitude of performance issues plaguing Lotro (probably DDO as well.)

access to more PC system memory resources only has so much utility for people with new systems.  still does not address server side issues of bandwidth, or the legacy issues with engine and client itself.

though a 64 bit client add-on is still cheaper than a brand new game engine and client, so perhaps they'll eek it out.  & since it is getting tacked on...   should go as smooth as pretty much everything else they have tacked on over the past (almost 12) years.

as always, be careful what you ask for.  Wink


raybob wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 5:26pm:
Signed it?  You mean someone claiming to be him posted it.  Did you see an actual pen and ink signature?

they'll pump some bagel/donuts and coffee into the guy and trot him out onto your anniversary stream this Tuesday for some bad audio interview from Cordovan with the usual platitudes & vagaries...  who knows maybe he'll even be in a BRAND NEW Sharn Expansion T-shirt!

heh who am i kidding, this is still Turbine guts in an SSG shell, they aren't remotely on top of marketing that shit yet.  Wink

do they even still merchandise in any capacity?  all digital now i think.


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Reply #121 - Feb 23rd, 2019 at 6:28am
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Why so obsessed? It's dumb. You are dumb. Yes, you.

Why is there an obsession about producers letter? WTF Why are you fucktards obsessing. ? WHY? What is the obsessi
  
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platfarmchink wrote on Feb 23rd, 2019 at 6:28am:
Why is there an obsession about producers letter? WTF Why are you fucktards obsessing. ?


If we don't have pointless drama to distract, all we have left is playing the stupid game.  Duh.
  

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Reply #123 - Feb 24th, 2019 at 2:26am
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platfarmchink wrote on Feb 23rd, 2019 at 6:28am:
Why is there an obsession about producers letter?

no obsession here.

when checking both LoTRO & DDO news and see there is a parallel , then checked to see when Sev last popped up on either forum...  quite a while for both.  again, parallel.  recalled Octothorpe from December & at the time, while many wondered if that was it...  everyone left it alone out of courtesy.

second week of February rolls around and i am like...   Huh

after seeing who else left in December, i thought there was a 50/50 chance that may also include Severlin.  time to:

anyway Lotro letter came out Friday & anyone that got the chance to read it see a cause for the lengthy delay?

on other forums it was suggested the may have had it held up in legal so as to not expose themselves to litigation...  though most of the current virtual goods and gaming lawsuits are in the EU & most again are to do with lootboxes...  unless you are Google or Microsoft.  then it is all anti trust stuff.  i see neither in that 2019 letter.  & this should have also been a requirement in the past, so...



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No worries on the letter, managed expectations are fine. We look forward to reading about how underwhelming the DDO letter is when it is published (hopefully) next week sometime.
~Cordovan

such is the state of the vision @SSG.

SAD.

Skoodge wrote on Feb 23rd, 2019 at 4:02pm:
all we have left is playing the stupid game.

at least you have 2 choices currently.  DDO &:
https://steamcharts.com/app/109600#All
the above is kicking both Lotro & DDO combined for player activity.

no clue if it is good, bad, or average game...  but clearly the market has spoken.

maybe in the near future, if Amazon Prime follows through, there will be a second option for Lotro as well.  likely 2 or 3 years away yet though.
  
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Reply #124 - Feb 24th, 2019 at 1:38pm
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EVC wrote on Feb 24th, 2019 at 2:26am:
at least you have 2 choices currently.  DDO &:
https://steamcharts.com/app/109600#All
the above is kicking both Lotro & DDO combined for player activity.

no clue if it is good, bad, or average game...  but clearly the market has spoken.

maybe in the near future, if Amazon Prime follows through, there will be a second option for Lotro as well.  likely 2 or 3 years away yet though.


My two nephews tried NW bot stop playing after 3 hours more or less, they found the quest way to easy and kind of boring even the combat end up boring them.

Thing is NW have more content open to free to play players but they pay it with wayyy more pay to win.
SGG are being quite stuborn and stupid in now giving more content on low level for free, a lot of the old packs like daleras, or sharn syndicate are good options for that, and would make the new players take a better look of the game.
  
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