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hyplo Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 62 Joined: Feb 11^th, 2014	The Foundry is Closing Mar 5^th, 2019 at 12:32pm	Print Post
	https://www.pcgamer.com/star-trek-online-and-neverwinter-are-losing-player-creat... "Cryptic has announced that the Foundry will be closing its doors for good next month. While the Foundry has been kept alive by player imagination, it still requires resources and maintenance from Cryptic, and sadly the developer has decided that it can't give the Foundry the attention it deserves while still creating new features. "


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: The Foundry is Closing Reply #1 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 1:44pm	Print Post
	Did those games' Devs feel a little threatened, by any chance? Player-created content is often WAY better than company-created stuff.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: The Foundry is Closing Reply #2 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:21am	Print Post
	I don't know anything about NW, personally. I only played it for a few months when it first came out and thought it sucked. A few people I know who do play it say that the foundry is not an actively used feature by the majority of the player base. Kinda like PvP in DDO. That may be accurate, that may just be their circle of friends. If it is eating up developer time and resources and not generating a profit (the stated reason), that seems like a good enough reason to shut it down. Not sure what other factors might be at play.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: The Foundry is Closing Reply #3 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:38pm	Print Post
	I held my nose and tried out NWO just long enough to unlock the foundry. It sucked.

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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: The Foundry is Closing Reply #4 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 3:16pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 1:44pm: Did those games' Devs feel a little threatened, by any chance? Player-created content is often WAY better than company-created stuff. Yeah, the Foundry was poorly executed, but even so some amazingly good (well, relative to NWO) content was produced. Very creative stuff. NWO remains more popular with my family than DDO, largely because of mounts and user made quests. I hate to see an experiment like that fail, it could be the future of RPGs.

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Edrein Abbot Raider Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 987 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: The Foundry is Closing Reply #5 - Mar 10^th, 2019 at 4:40pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:21am: I don't know anything about NW, personally.� �I only played it for a few months when it first came out and thought it sucked.� �A few people I know who do play it say that the foundry is not an actively used feature by the majority of the player base.� Kinda like PvP in DDO.� �That may be accurate, that may just be their circle of friends. If it is eating up developer time and resources and not generating a profit (the stated reason), that seems like a good enough reason to shut it down.� �Not sure what other factors might be at play.� �� As far as my friends who play tell me it's the same. The reason why it isn't used by the majority of players anymore is because the devs made it so you can't gain any experience in player made quests a while back. So essentially they shot themselves in the foot over that feature. They're also removing it from Star Trek online as well. It's a shame if DDO had a feature like that I'd imagine it'd be 900% more popular despite its age and problems. But I also feel like the DDO devs would similarly chose to have no exp or extremely low exp/rewards drop from player made content.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: The Foundry is Closing Reply #6 - Mar 11^th, 2019 at 9:16am	Print Post
	Edrein wrote on Mar 10^th, 2019 at 4:40pm: As far as my friends who play tell me it's the same. The reason why it isn't used by the majority of players anymore is because the devs made it so you can't gain any experience in player made quests a while back. So essentially they shot themselves in the foot over that feature. They're also removing it from Star Trek online as well. It's a shame if DDO had a feature like that I'd imagine it'd be 900% more popular despite its age and problems. But I also feel like the DDO devs would similarly chose to have no exp or extremely low exp/rewards drop from player made content. Given that player made content can be of varying difficulty levels, I could see how it would be difficult to assign XP to them. You could end up with a bunch of Ringleader, Shadow Crypt, Spies, Von3 style "farm quests" that bypass the storylines and quest chains and damage the progression system. Although, again, I admit I know nothing about their progression systems over in NW. The same would be true of loot. (which is the other reason to run content, besides progression and fun). You can't give out more than ran gen loot chests that are content level appropriate. But even that becomes somewhat concerning. Not knowing that game, if it was in DDO, could I create a quest that has 50 collectibles nodes in it, in really easy to access places? Or one that has an abundance of chests that are easily farmable? I can see the problems that could develop. That's a tough one. I still think the idea of player/community content is a great one, if you can work out the content balancing issues.


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Strake Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Evading a ban Posts: 6304 Joined: Jan 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: The Foundry is Closing Reply #7 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:45pm	Print Post
	Back when I played NWO, I thought the foundry was the best feature of the game. There were some real content gems in there - from standard quests (some that were pretty damn cool) to event-like content (lots of missions to hone your Mario skills on, puzzles, frogger games, etc). There was some sort of award system then, though it had been neutered from earlier generations due to the predictable exploiting. All in all, it's a shame. This was the part of the game with the most potential - think about how it's been working out for Starcraft I and II for all these years. But it was neglected from the get-go, so I'm not surprised to hear that people were generally disappointed with it.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: The Foundry is Closing Reply #8 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:07pm	Print Post
	NWO had that problem with the foundry when the game was first released. First thing some people made were farm and loot quests. Made the game pretty easy.....

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