As title says, I needed a FvS life and saw a build that I modified from 9 cleric/8 fighter/3 bard to 13FvS/4Fghtr/3 Bard. Running vistani swash&buckler with daggers as favored weapon. Currently at level 24 and struggling with DPS.

The build performed great in heroics from elite-reaper 5ish, until I hit epics. Most of the time I was killing quicker than most, if not all melees with crit range 13-20 from nightforge stiletto.  My survivability is fine, and I normally end up healing the party more than dealing damage, but that's mostly because my damage is lacking.


  Does vistani fall off in epics? I can post my gear later when I get to a computer, but its mostly random cannith gear/ heroic set pieces with lvl 24 Estar crafted dagger.

Any help is appreciated, thanks.

Need FvS for a PL and wanted to know if its viable in epics, dont need another cleric life

Don't blow a LR hear to polish a turd. Limp to 30 on a lower difficulty and TR out of this mess.

Edrein wrote on May 26^th, 2019 at 8:40pm:


Thanks for the response,

Ioun wrote on May 26^th, 2019 at 9:51pm:


Daggers in general are pretty weak before level 28. That's when you get the really good end game named daggers.

Daggers in general are the weakest proc reliant weapons because almost all named daggers are built around assassins and really have good proc effects.

If I were you; I'd swap to rapiers or shortswords for epic leveling with your build. Sure you lose out on the vistani stuff, but you could easily grab T5 in either kensai or war soul.

The issue with war soul is only '3' deity weapons are really worthwhile. That's daggers due to vistani, mauls from Silvanus, and the third is Falcions via Wood Elf. All three of those can make good use of the T5 warpriest bonus while wearing medium armor. Two of those options aren't AP intensive, while one requires you to spend a hefty amount of AP in an universal tree.

So the bigger issue is; outside of Silvanus and Wood Elf, you give up all of the utility the devs falsely believe make up for the shitty war soul/priest tree because you've got all of your AP tied up in vistani to make daggers suck less.

In epics a 'melee' FVS should be utility based, decent DPS while making use of the goodies from Beacon to prop up the better dedicated DPS toons.  Just like a Warchanter should be grabbing goodies from Spellsinger to further buff up their role as the melee DPS party member's best friend outside of the healbot.