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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Jul 24^th, 2019 at 9:11pm	Print Post
	Apparently they are reducing helpless dmg by 55% (30% LD + 25% base) across the board. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK


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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #1 - Jul 24^th, 2019 at 9:54pm	Print Post
	They need to balance melees because 2 players are over performing...

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Chip Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 14 Joined: Mar 12^th, 2018	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #2 - Jul 24^th, 2019 at 10:04pm	Print Post
	I like that THF is still mediocre, and all of the good things in Barbarian for example are dependent on how often you hit and that the only builds to excel with THF are wolves who circumvent the crippling downside to THF while retaining all of the good stuff.


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Snu Snu Shroud Slacker Offline Drama is boring Posts: 1054 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2012	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #3 - Jul 24^th, 2019 at 10:58pm	Print Post
	Ban wolfs.

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Edrein Shroud Slacker Offline Master of Melee Undead (Gimps) Posts: 1005 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #4 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 12:42am	Print Post
	Chip wrote on Jul 24^th, 2019 at 10:04pm: I like that THF is still mediocre, and all of the good things in Barbarian for example are dependent on how often you hit and that the only builds to excel with THF are wolves who circumvent the crippling downside to THF while retaining all of the good stuff. No, let's be real. THF wolves aren't even that good. It's the outlier of Silvanus wolves. Wolf speed alone doesn't make up for the crappy nature of THF.


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #5 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 9:44am	Print Post
	Math is hard.� Consider a melee attack that deals 100 damage in r10. Current: 100 * 0.091 (reaper dmg reduction) * 1.5 (helpless base) * 1.5 (combat brute) = 20.475 dmg. New: 100 * 0.154 (reaper dmg reduction) * 1.25 (helpless base)� * 1.2 (combat brute) = 23.1 dmg. Edrein wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 12:42am: THF wolves aren't even that good. It's the outlier of Silvanus wolves. Wolf speed alone doesn't make up for the crappy nature of THF. What color is the sky in your world?


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	They're changing reaper scaling? Someone buried the lead.

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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #7 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 10:24am	Print Post
	Quote: Creatures in high skull Reaper have a lesser amount of damage resistance than they do now. Not only does the damage resistance ramp up more slowly, but resistance to ranged and magic is further reduced to match melee resistance. Currently the damage resistance for melee is actually lower (more favorable to the player) than for ranged and magic, so in the new system the reduction for melee, ranged, and magic will all be equal with ranged and magic catching up to melee damage. The new formula has the reduction slightly higher for melee (although still more favorable for magic and ranged) on Reaper 1 and 2, the same for Reaper 3, and more favorable to the player as it ramps up beyond that. As an example, the multiplier at Reaper 10 for melee will change from 0.091 to 0.154 and for ranged and magic will change from a 0.076 multiplier to a 0.154 multiplier. This will make taking down creatures with large hit point pools less of a slog at higher Reaper skulls. To be clear, the decrease to damage resistance scales with Reaper level � at lower Reaper levels the change to damage won�t be as noticeable.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #8 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 10:53am	Print Post
	Love the knee jerk reactions and jumping to conclusions. A bunch of people got their workouts in early.


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Skoodge LORD OF BOOBS Offline Whatever Posts: 3702 Location: Why? You want to visit me? Joined: Jul 19^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #9 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 11:04am	Print Post
	If I understand it correct, there are going to be far less helpless mobs to do damage against. If that's the case, it should be factored in...

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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #10 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 11:14am	Print Post
	Because math really is hard: Helpless is additive not multiplicative. Current: 100 * .091 (reaper DR) * (1 + (.50 combat brute + .50 helpless base)) = 18.2 New: 100 * .154 (reaper DR) * (1 + (.20 combat brute + .25 helpless base)) = 22.33 22.33/18.2 = 22.6% dmg increase against helpless mobs, without considering Sense Weakness.� With Sense Weakness, it's a 28% dmg increase compared to current dmg.� The Mass Hold Monster duration change (12->9.6 seconds in r10) nets a 20% shorter time window that a monster will be held.� Assume 10k DPS for ease of math. Current: 10k DPS * .182 reaper helpless dmg scaling * 12 sec = 21840 dmg New: 10k DPS * .2233 reaper helpless dmg scaling * 9.6 sec = 21436 dmg Slightly less dmg output without Sense Weakness, and slightly more dmg with Sense Weakness. ETA TLDR: There's a bunch of handwaving freakoutery over this change.
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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #11 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 11:22am	Print Post
	Skoodge wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 11:04am: If I understand it correct, there are going to be far less helpless mobs to do damage against.� If that's the case, it should be factored in... Not sure I follow.�Even with the +4 saves vs spells in reaper, there's a net gain in DCs from the Magister changes.


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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #12 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 1:03pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 9:44am: Math is hard.� Consider a melee attack that deals 100 damage in r10. Current: 100 * 0.091 (reaper dmg reduction) * 1.5 (helpless base) * 1.5 (combat brute) = 20.475 dmg. New: 100 * 0.154 (reaper dmg reduction) * 1.25 (helpless base)� * 1.2 (combat brute) = 23.1 dmg. What color is the sky in your world? I don't give a fuck about DR because as it stand now they reduced helpless dmg by 55% so don't try to get brownie points from staff it makes you look retarded


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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9519 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #13 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 1:26pm	Print Post
	yardarm_ wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 1:03pm: I don't give a fuck about DR because as it stand now they reduced helpless dmg by 55% so don't try to get brownie points from staff it makes you look retarded Your command of the english language makes you look retarded. That and your safety helmet.

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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9519 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #14 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 1:31pm	Print Post
	Edrein wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 12:42am: THF wolves aren't even that good. Stick with support classes.

	Smrti wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Gunga is the best.
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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #15 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 1:31pm	Print Post
	yardarm_ wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 1:03pm: I don't give a fuck about DR because as it stand now they reduced helpless dmg by 55% so don't try to get brownie points from staff it makes you look retarded They reduced helpless damage by 17%. 1.25/1.5 If you have Combat Brute, it was a 33% reduction if you have combat brute (1.251.2) / (1.51.5)


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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #16 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 2:42pm	Print Post
	NOTpopejubal wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 1:31pm: They reduced helpless damage by 17%. 1.25/1.5 If you have Combat Brute, it was a 33% reduction if you have combat brute (1.251.2) / (1.51.5) and 33% is fucking huge as well i am just sick of melee nerfs in every update


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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #17 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 2:43pm	Print Post
	Gunga wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 1:26pm: Your command of the english language makes you look retarded. That and your safety helmet. don't choke so much on jerrys dick if you are trying to argue with adults kiddo
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Slick Stick Puppy Farmer Offline Titties! Posts: 1444 Location: Central Coast, CA Joined: Mar 9^th, 2017 Gender:	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #18 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 4:04pm	Print Post
	I love the bickering fights over maths in ddo, it's a fucking great look for everyone.

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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9519 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #19 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 4:24pm	Print Post
	yardarm_ wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 2:43pm: don't choke so much on jerrys dick if you are trying to argue with adults kiddo I would never argue with a retarded adult who sucks at math and english. Good for you, Bucky. Shut up and bag my groceries.

	Smrti wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Gunga is the best.
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	Carpone wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 11:22am: Not sure I follow.�Even with the +4 saves vs spells in reaper, there's a net gain in DCs from the Magister changes. Was my thought exactly when I saw that. They're like..."mobs are getting CCed too much we don't like that, give them more saves" But also "oh we realize caster destinies are not giving enough DC bonuses so let's add some" Same shit in the end. Might hurt more in heroics though but honestly have no idea how far beyond mob saves my DCs are on my Sorc.


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #21 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 6:04pm	Print Post
	Gunga wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 4:24pm: I would never argue with a retarded adult who sucks at math and english. Good for you, Corky. Shut up and bag my groceries. Fixed.

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mr420247 Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 33 Joined: Jan 17^th, 2018	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #22 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 6:19pm	Print Post
	So exactly why shouldn't dire charge, assasinate dcs and other abilities not need the 10 dc neg to starts along w random dc rerolls every skull not like those r free


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HelloKitty Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 57 Joined: Feb 27^th, 2019	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #23 - Jul 25^th, 2019 at 8:22pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 11:14am: Because math really is hard Carpone wrote on Jul 25^th, 2019 at 9:44am: Math is hard.� Consider a melee attack that deals 100 damage in r10. Current: 100 * 0.091 (reaper dmg reduction) * 2.5 (helpless base + combat brute + sense weakness + ship + 15% set)� = 22.8 dmg. New: 100 * 0.154 (reaper dmg reduction) * 1.95 (helpless 25% base + 20% combat brute + 30% sense weakness + 5% ship +15% set)� = 30.03 dmg. What color is the sky in your world? Blood Red. Fixed the math for both of you. Helpless trash DPS is getting a huge boost in R10. It's getting nerfed in heroics though. Poor heroic monks, no lube every single balance patch, and they sucked compared to warlocks to start with. Cripey's Merciless Bloodbath: 100 * 0.154 (reaper dmg reduction) * 2.55 (helpless 25% base + 30% sense weakness + 5% ship +15% set +60% No Mercyx6 +20%HOrc)�= 39.3 Caster dps is going up about the same amount. Current: 100 Caster DPS * .076 R10 * 1.5 = 11.4 New: 100 Caster DPS * .154 New R10 * 0.85 (extra saves) * 1.25 (new helpless) = 16.36 The people that they are actually targeting to nerf are the heroic low reaper monks, melee bards, melee clerics, and melee FvS and their splashes. Those people are losing hp, losing damage, losing DC not made up since they don't have magistar yet, and making less xp per reaper streaked dungeon. While they do get to be 2 lvls higher, melee dps doesn't scale like casters in heroics, so it won't matter much.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee fucked CC dmg reduced by 55% LOL Reply #24 - Jul 26^th, 2019 at 9:57am	Print Post
	Ramged builds, which were clearly needing a buff, also are getting the lesser Reaper damage reduction, the same as caster damage.


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