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Edemus Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4 Joined: Jul 27^th, 2019	trash-tier EK assistance Jul 27^th, 2019 at 8:26am	Print Post
	I just recently returned to the game and whipped together a build for the new EK (and shortly PM) pass and, honestly, I have no idea what I am doing. I trust the official forums about as much as Unknownbuilder, so here I am. DG is picked to get an Iconic PL and, while EK appears to suck at cap, it seems just fine to do low Reaper with during leveling to 30. SWF Dagger+Orb, focus on Enchantment spells Any suggestions? I didn't even touch the Destiny trees, I have no idea what to go for there. Classes: 20 Wizard, 10 Epic Race: Deep Gnome� � � � � �Alignment: Neutral � � �Start Tome Final Str:� � �8� � 4 � �12 � � � Dex:� � �8� � 4 � �12 � � � Con:� � 18� � 4 � �24 � � � Int:� � 20� � 4 � �34 � � � Wis:� � 10� � 4 � �14 � � � Cha:� � �6� � 8 � �14 � � � Class and Feat Selection ------------------------------------------------------------------- Level Class � � � � � �Feats 1 � � Wizard(1) � � � �Standard: Single Weapon Fighting � � � � � � � � � � � �Metamagic: Quicken Spell 2 � � Wizard(2) � � � � 3 � � Wizard(3) � � � �Standard: Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons 4 � � Wizard(4) � � � �Intelligence: +1 Level up 5 � � Wizard(5) � � � �Metamagic: Extend Spell 6 � � Wizard(6) � � � �Standard: Spell Focus: Enchantment 7 � � Wizard(7) � � � � 8 � � Wizard(8) � � � �Intelligence: +1 Level up 9 � � Wizard(9) � � � �Standard: Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment 10� � Wizard(10)� � � �Metamagic: Heighten Spell 11� � Wizard(11)� � � � 12� � Wizard(12)� � � �Standard: Improved Single Weapon Fighting � � � � � � � � � � � �Intelligence: +1 Level up 13� � Wizard(13)� � � � 14� � Wizard(14)� � � � 15� � Wizard(15)� � � �Standard: Spell Penetration � � � � � � � � � � � �Metamagic: Mental Toughness 16� � Wizard(16)� � � �Intelligence: +1 Level up 17� � Wizard(17)� � � � 18� � Wizard(18)� � � �Standard: Toughness 19� � Wizard(19)� � � � 20� � Wizard(20)� � � �Metamagic: Improved Mental Toughness � � � � � � � � � � � �Intelligence: +1 Level up 21� � Epic(1) � � � � �Epic Feat: Wellspring of Power 22� � Epic(2) � � � � � 23� � Epic(3) � � � � � 24� � Epic(4) � � � � �Epic Feat: Greater Single Weapon Fighting � � � � � � � � � � � �Intelligence: +1 Level up 25� � Epic(5) � � � � � 26� � Epic(6) � � � � �Epic Destiny Feat: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting 27� � Epic(7) � � � � �Epic Feat: Blinding Speed 28� � Epic(8) � � � � �Epic Destiny Feat: Toughness � � � � � � � � � � � �Intelligence: +1 Level up 29� � Epic(9) � � � � �Epic Destiny Feat: Dire Charge 30� � Epic(10)� � � � �Epic Feat: Epic Spell Focus: Enchantment � � � � � � � � � � � �Legendary: Scion of the Feywild Skills ------------------------------------------------------------------- Skill Points� � �28 �8� 8 �9� 9 �9� 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 11 11 11 11 11 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Balance � � � � � 2 �� 11.0 � 22.0 Bluff � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �� 1� 1 �1� 1 �3� �11.0 � 23.0 Concentration � � 4 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� �23.0 � 40.0 Diplomacy � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �� 0.5 � 12.5 Disable Device� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 0.0 � 22.0 Haggle� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 0.0 � 14.0 Heal� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 0.0 � 12.0 Hide� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 0.0 � 15.0 Intimidate� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 0.0 � �8.0 Jump� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 0.0 � 11.0 Listen� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 0.0 � 12.0 Move Silently � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 0.0 � 11.0 Open Lock � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 0.0 � 11.0 Perform � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 0.0 � 12.0 Repair� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 0.0 � 22.0 Search� � � � � � 2 �� 11.0 � 33.0 Spell Craft � � � 4 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� 1 �1� �23.0 � 45.0 Spot� � � � � � � 2 �� 11.0 � 23.0 Swim� � � � � � � 2 �� 11.0 � 22.0 Tumble� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 0.0 � 11.0 Use Magic Device� 2 �� 11.0 � 25.0 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Available Points� 0 �1� 1 �2� 2 �2� 2 �2� 2 �2� 2 �2� 2 �2� 2 �2� 2 �2� 2 �2 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Enhancements: 80 APs ------------------------------------------------------------------- Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Points spent: 41 1 Core �(1) Eldritch Strike 2 Tier1 (1) Improved Mage Armor 3 Tier1 (1) Improved Mage Armor 4 Tier1 (1) Improved Mage Armor 5 Tier1 (1) Arcane Siphon 6 Core �(1) Spellsword 7 Tier1 (1) Arcane Siphon 8 Tier1 (1) Arcane Siphon 9 Tier2 (1) Wand and Scroll Mastery 10 Tier2 (1) Wand and Scroll Mastery 11 Tier2 (1) Wand and Scroll Mastery 12 Tier2 (1) Improved Shield 13 Tier2 (1) Improved Shield 14 Tier2 (1) Action Boost Spellpower 15 Tier2 (1) Action Boost Spellpower 16 Tier2 (1) Action Boost Spellpower 17 Tier3 (2) Synergetic Magic 18 Tier3 (2) Arcane Barrier 19 Tier2 (1) Improved Shield 20 Tier4 (2) Knight's Transformation 21 Tier4 (2) Force's Point 22 Core �(1) Imbue the Blade 23 Core �(1) Subtle Force I 24 Tier4 (1) Offhand Defenses: Orb Saves 25 Tier4 (1) Offhand Defenses: Orb Saves 26 Tier4 (1) Offhand Defenses: Orb Saves 27 Tier5 (2) Improved Knight's Transformation 28 Tier5 (2) Knight's Arcanum: Knight's Controller 29 Tier5 (2) Force's Edge 30 Tier5 (1) Eldritch Tempest 31 Tier5 (1) Eldritch Tempest 32 Tier5 (1) Eldritch Tempest 33 Core �(1) Subtle Force II 34 Core �(1) Eldritch Blade ------------------------------------------------------------------- Pale Master - Points spent: 14 1 Core �(1) Dark Reaping 2 Tier1 (1) Negative Energy Conduit 3 Tier1 (1) Negative Energy Conduit 4 Tier1 (1) Negative Energy Conduit 5 Tier1 (2) Deathless Vigor 6 Core �(1) Shroud of the Zombie 7 Tier2 (2) Efficient Metamagic: Efficient Quicken 8 Tier2 (2) Efficient Metamagic: Efficient Quicken 9 Core �(1) Shroud of the Vampire 10 Tier2 (2) Efficient Metamagic: Efficient Quicken ------------------------------------------------------------------- Vistani Knife Fighter - Points spent: 12 1 Core �(1) Knife Expertise 2 Tier1 (2) Rapid Attack 3 Tier1 (2) Mist Stalker I 4 Tier2 (1) Haste Boost 5 Tier2 (1) Haste Boost 6 Tier2 (1) Haste Boost 7 Core �(1) Knife Juggler 8 Tier2 (2) Mist Stalker II 9 Core �(1) Knife Specialist ------------------------------------------------------------------- Harper Agent - Points spent: 13 1 Core �(1) Agent of Good I 2 Tier1 (2) Strategic Combat I 3 Tier1 (2) Harper Enchantment 4 Tier2 (1) Know the Angles 5 Tier2 (1) Know the Angles 6 Tier2 (1) Know the Angles 7 Core �(2) Harper Training I: +1 Intelligence 8 Tier3 (2) Strategic Combat II 9 Core �(1) Agent of Good II -------------------------------------------------------------------


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crunch Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 745 Location: Europe Joined: Mar 20^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: trash-tier EK assistance Reply #1 - Jul 27^th, 2019 at 1:31pm	Print Post
	(Deep) Gnomes should probably grab Color Spray.


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Ulysses Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 146 Joined: Dec 28^th, 2015	Re: trash-tier EK assistance Reply #2 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 8:14pm	Print Post
	This build is pretty good but there are a few things you might want to change. You don't want the 2nd Vistani core as all it really grants you is Deflect Arrows and a core in EK already gives you that. Pre-update you will die a ton to light damage as a vampire because of the TRIPLE damage you receive.� Because of this I coudln't handle it and went to 21 points in Pale Master to get Wraith form. Took most of the points from Vistani and just went with a better crit weapon (like Scimitar).� After the update I will again be tempted to get to 21 points in Pale Master to get the 2nd undead form upgrade.� I played a build like this and had a blast. I did take Max/Emp though.� My thought is 1) you have to cast spells some of the time to keep up your melee buffs, but 2) you only cast them half the time or less of a regular caster since you are melee'ing most of the time.� Thus I wanted the spells I did cast to carry as big of a boom as possible. My likely final split will be 41EK/21PM/12Harper/7Vistani as I have the bonus 1 point for universal tree.� At that point I'll drop the 14 racial ap into gnome (getting color spray as stated above) and be ready to rock out with my cock out. Edit: Pre update I would definitely get to 21 PM for Wraith form and just drop Vistani and go with a Scimitar or similar weapon. You lose the 20% dblstrike but get to use a more powerful base weapon and your survivability will go way up.
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Edemus Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4 Joined: Jul 27^th, 2019	Re: trash-tier EK assistance Reply #3 - Jul 31^st, 2019 at 7:58am	Print Post
	I had no idea that Wraith form was only 2x and Vampire 3x, I thought they were all 3x. I did some changes based on the advice, Dropped Vistani completely in favor of Knight's Training. I don't have the Universal AP or more than 1 Racial to do the same split as you, so I went 41EK/21PM/12Harper/8Racial instead. Added Maximize, Color Spray SLA, IC+OC, Embolden and some other things to improve DCs and melee damage. Improved Shield Bash to take advantage of Golden Orb of Death (and the added Spellsword procs!) My only concern is my lack of Spell Penetration, but hopefully it won't be too big of a deal while leveling. And that I can't find room for Wellspring of Power, which would be great to pop with an extended Death Aura. Feats 1� �� : Single Weapon Fighting 1 Wizard : Quicken Spell 3� �� : Precision 5 Wizard : Spell Focus: Enchantment* 6� �� : Shield Proficiency 9� �� : Insightful Reflexes 10 Wizard : Heighten Spell 12� �� : Improved Single Weapon Fighting 15� �� : Improved Shield Bash 15 Wizard : Extend Spell 18� �� : Knight's Training 20 Wizard : Maximize Spell 21 Epic� �: Greater Single Weapon Fighting 24 Epic� �: Embolden Spell 26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting 27 Epic� �: Improved Critical: Slashing 28 Destiny: Elusive Target 29 Destiny: Dire Charge 30 Epic� �: Overwhelming Critical 30 Legend : Scion of: Feywild* *Can be swapped for Necromancy focus and Shadowfell if desired Enhancements (80+1 AP) Eldritch Knight (Wizard) (41 AP) Eldritch Strike, Spellsword, Imbue the Blade, Subtle Force, Subtle Force II, Eldritch Blade Improved Mage Armor III, Arcane Siphon III Improved Shield III, Spellpower Boost III Arcane Barrier, Synergetic Magic, Intelligence Knight's Transformation, Force's Point, Armored Arcana, Intelligence Improved Knight's Transformation, Knight's Controller, Force's Edge, Eldritch Tempest III Pale Master (21 AP) Dark Reaping, Zombie Form, Vampire Form, Wraith Form Spell Critical, Negative Energy Conduit III Efficient Quicken III, Spell Critical Spell Critical, Intelligence Harper Agent (12 AP) Agent of Good I, Intelligence Harper Enchantment, Strategic Combat Know the Angles III Strategic Combat Deep Gnome (7 AP) Wariness, Intelligence Underdark Experience II Color Spray II
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Ulysses Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 146 Joined: Dec 28^th, 2015	Re: trash-tier EK assistance Reply #4 - Jul 31^st, 2019 at 12:56pm	Print Post
	In general you'll love the build.� You made some personal choices a little different than me (I take Scion of Fire for more offense and defense but it's totally optional).�Also I just roll with Scimitars instead of using a feat on Knight's Training but that just depends on gear you have I guess. I think you'll find that if you keep it geared up it is one of the easiest low R builds around.� High R is a different story. Edemus wrote on Jul 31^st, 2019 at 7:58am: Improved Shield Bash to take advantage of Golden Orb of Death (and the added Spellsword procs!) I thought you were all fucked up on this but I looked it up and you CAN shield bash with an orb.� I had no idea.� Very interesting. Learn something everyday I guess. Edit:� So this raises the question, can you take the Shield Striking Tier Four EK ability and get the 15% shield bash chance raising your % to 35 total?� If so that is no brainer awesome and probably about where you want to be to max out your 1/second max shield bash amount. Edit2: Legendary Cursed Skull and The Curse Necromancy set from Age of Rage pack will send your survivability through the roof. Also has a slightly better crit profile to increase your dmg on shield bash. Thanks for the info about shield bash working with orbs, absolutely locks in single weapon fighting as the best route to go for a Death Knight.
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Edemus Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4 Joined: Jul 27^th, 2019	Re: trash-tier EK assistance Reply #5 - Jul 31^st, 2019 at 5:56pm	Print Post
	Ikr? It's what pushed SWF over the edge as the superior choice over TWF. From what I've read Shield Striking sadly doesn't work due to it requiring you to explicitly wield a shield, it'd be bonkers if it worked. Not sure if there are any other items outside of the random rares that give %shield bash chance, since getting that 1/sec would be massive. I looked at those over Golden Orb of Death and looks pretty fucking good, though also leaves the question: is it worth spreading myself thin over both Necromancy and Enchantment? Necromancy does feel a bit redundant with how you have all these other tools to deal with mobs as an EK (at least at lower Rs), but it would synergize real well with the Curse of Necromancy set.


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