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Sacred Defender path for beginners
Mar 28th, 2017 at 12:53pm
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Alignment: Lawful Good
Class: 20 Paladin


Stats: (28 pt build)

Strength...........16(+ level ups)
Dexterity...........8
Constitution.......14
Intelligence........8
Wisdom.............14
Charisma...........14

Stats: (32 pt build)

Strength...........16 (+ level ups)
Dexterity............8
Constitution.......14
Intelligence........8
Wisdom.............14
Charisma...........16

Feat Progression:

Level 1     : Exotic Weapon Proficiency Bastard Sword (Swap for Dwarf)
Level 1     : Sovereign Host
Level 3     : Shield Mastery
Level 6     : Empower Healing
Level 9     : Improved Critical Slashing
Level 12   : Improved Shield Mastery
Level 15   : Two Handed Fighting
Level 18   : Improved Two Handed Fighting
Level 21   : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24   : Greater Two Handed Fighting
Level 26   : Perfect Two Handed Fighting
Level 27   : Power Attack
Level 28   : Elusive Target
Level 29   : Dire Charge
Level 30   : Bulwark of Defense
Level 30   : Scion of Celestia

if human add Weapon Focus Slashing
if Dwarf swap EWP for Weapon Focus Slashing

Skills:
Intimidate

if human/drow add Heal
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Re: Sacred Defender path for beginners
Reply #1 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 4:39pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 12:53pm:
if human add Toughness
if Dwarf swap EWP for Toughness

I think a beginner might get more out of tower shield proficiency.
  
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Re: Sacred Defender path for beginners
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Revaulting wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
I think a beginner might get more out of tower shield proficiency.


Outside of 1 or 2 named items, tower shields are a trap.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:00pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Outside of 1 or 2 named items, tower shields are a trap.

Is that why I always wind up using large shields?  Lips Sealed

Honestly, I was mostly thinking, "Toughness? What is this, 2009?"
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:13pm
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Yeah, I'm not happy with Toughness either. It's gonna be Power Attack or Weapon Focus then I guess.
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:16am
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I think I'd rather have PA than Toughness at 1.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 6:15am
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I think I'd rather have less Wisdom and more Con.  I don't think I've ever run a Paladin where I didn't dump Wis entirely.  I get not wanting to force a new player to buy pots just to memorize their spells, but some balance should be able to be found.
  
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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Reply #7 - Mar 31st, 2017 at 2:14pm
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Asheras wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:16am:
I think I'd rather have PA than Toughness at 1.


PA is overrated when not THF IMO. 1st lifers will graze all over the place now, even on normal with a decent to hit ability and Precision active. I'll go with WF.

Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2017 at 6:15am:
I think I'd rather have less Wisdom and more Con.  I don't think I've ever run a Paladin where I didn't dump Wis entirely.  I get not wanting to force a new player to buy pots just to memorize their spells, but some balance should be able to be found.


It is a waste, and it makes me cringe to do it, but it's just one of those newb lens things that aren't going to make sense to anyone not intimately familiar with the game or P&P D&D. They're not going to say "Oh, I need to boost my Wisdom with gear.", they are going to say "Why the hell does the game give me a build that can't cast it's own spells? /Alt+F4"
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 31st, 2017 at 4:11pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 2:14pm:
Oh, I need to boost my Wisdom with gear.", they are going to say "Why the hell does the game give me a build that can't cast it's own spells? /Alt+F4"

Will not even have a sp item. Wisdom gives them the sp needed to cast at least a few per shrine. Paladin does not receive magical training feat as a class freebie and the wisdom counts. Cringe to us but the layout is feasible, updated and seems correct.

Can probably take out quicken since they get LoH +3 increases in tree. Getting them to spend AP well is another issue.   
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Re: Sacred Defender path for beginners
Reply #9 - Mar 31st, 2017 at 6:13pm
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Updated OP.
  
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Re: Sacred Defender path for beginners
Reply #10 - Apr 1st, 2017 at 11:20am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 2:14pm:
It is a waste, and it makes me cringe to do it, but it's just one of those newb lens things that aren't going to make sense to anyone not intimately familiar with the game or P&P D&D. They're not going to say "Oh, I need to boost my Wisdom with gear.", they are going to say "Why the hell does the game give me a build that can't cast it's own spells? /Alt+F4"


Paladins don't get spells until 4th level.  And then it's level 1 spells, and I think that takes a 9 stat to memorize?  So start them with a 9 Wis.  With the new loot inflation it won't be hard at all to get to a 10 Wis for the level 2 spells that come at 8th level.  The average random +stat is 5 at 8th level.  It might be harder to not equip a +Wis item by 8th level for a new player who will have 'rewards by class' set on by default.  Or at least I think it's on by default.
  
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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


Smart players know how to use buyback.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Re: Sacred Defender path for beginners
Reply #11 - Apr 1st, 2017 at 3:18pm
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Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2017 at 11:20am:
And then it's level 1 spells, and I think that takes a 9 stat to memorize?  So start them with a 9 Wis.

You're clearly one of the noobs who needs these updated paths.
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 2nd, 2017 at 2:13am
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Math is hard.
  
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Frank wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 8:32am:
Laugh it up, funny man.
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Reply #13 - Apr 2nd, 2017 at 8:32am
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Revaulting wrote on Apr 1st, 2017 at 3:18pm:
You're clearly one of the noobs who needs these updated paths.

Laugh it up, funny man.  I will freely admit that I don't bother to memorize things that have zero significance for me.  You do know how to read a question mark, right?  (that there question mark means that I am asking and not certain that you do.)

I drew 9 min stat for a 1st level spell from my equally vague memories of 3.5 D&D, where if you are a full caster you never need to know the minimum because it just doesn't matter.  And I still manage to dump Wis on my Paladins and learn my spells as long as I'm not afraid to use a potion and/or wear a stat item.
  
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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


Smart players know how to use buyback.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


Smart people don't elicit "side effects."  They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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