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Questions about bear
Feb 15th, 2020 at 10:04am
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I want to make a bear tank, that can also dps when not needed to tank. The new Bsword does 1.6x and is considered THF. But Bear using natural fighting and a THF weapon does 3x. And can't Strikethrough when on defensive fighting.

1) So while on bear, using Bsword the 3x will be applied instead of 1.6x right?

2) And to have Strikethrough I can still use the Bsword but just have to drop from defensive fighting?

3) Also, 20 bear or 11 barb 8 bear 1 wiz for tanking?
  
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Re: Questions about bear
Reply #1 - Feb 15th, 2020 at 10:29am
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Why are you suggesting someone who is EDF can't Strikethrough? Did I miss something?
  
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Re: Questions about bear
Reply #2 - Feb 15th, 2020 at 12:57pm
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Technomage wrote on Feb 15th, 2020 at 10:29am:
Why are you suggesting someone who is EDF can't Strikethrough? Did I miss something?


From release notes:

Druid's Wild Shape: Bear now allows you to Strikethrough as long as you are not in the Defensive Fighting stance. (This replaces its previous ability to use Glancing Blows). You can Strikethrough while moving in Bear Form.

I understand it is specific to the bear defensive stance, not the Epic defensive feat that we get at lvl 21. But not sure.
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Re: Questions about bear
Reply #3 - Feb 15th, 2020 at 1:47pm
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DnD wrote on Feb 15th, 2020 at 12:57pm:
From release notes:

Druid's Wild Shape: Bear now allows you to Strikethrough as long as you are not in the Defensive Fighting stance. (This replaces its previous ability to use Glancing Blows). You can Strikethrough while moving in Bear Form.

I understand it is specific to the bear defensive stance, not the Epic defensive feat that we get at lvl 21. But not sure.

Maybe the Nature's Defense stance from the Nature's Protector tree?
  
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Re: Questions about bear
Reply #4 - Feb 16th, 2020 at 6:40am
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@Techno, Yes
@DnD, that was their intentions when introducing both bear and wolf forms to druid. Jack of all trades doesn't work in the type of content you want it to, so obviously you'll need some sort of compromise; In wolf, you're giving up plenty AP for your bear stance to be meaningful, and in bear, you're giving up beef for the damage.

Build either one animal form with gear swaps in mind, and spec whatever is free into the other; hybrids fail at both. Which is more important to you - the tank or the damage?
  
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Re: Questions about bear
Reply #5 - Feb 16th, 2020 at 12:46pm
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Linker wrote on Feb 16th, 2020 at 6:40am:
@Techno, Yes
@DnD, that was their intentions when introducing both bear and wolf forms to druid. Jack of all trades doesn't work in the type of content you want it to, so obviously you'll need some sort of compromise; In wolf, you're giving up plenty AP for your bear stance to be meaningful, and in bear, you're giving up beef for the damage.

Build either one animal form with gear swaps in mind, and spec whatever is free into the other; hybrids fail at both. Which is more important to you - the tank or the damage?


It is an alt without too much investment that i can swap from Sentinel to Fury/LD if I want to solo R1.

So I suppose tanking raids on hard without too much issues. Not sure about the potential of bears as tanks, nobody was using them for anything, so I don't know about elite/R1.

This is what i am thinking:

Bear
Druid 20
True Neutral Human


Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength        16       +4       4: CON
Dexterity        9       +4       8: CON
Constitution    18       +4      12: CON
Intelligence    12       +4      16: CON
Wisdom           9       +4      20: CON
Charisma        12       +4      24: CON
                                 28: CON

Feats

1        : Shield Mastery
1 Human  : Empower Healing Spell
3        : Natural Fighting
6        : Natural Fighting
9        : Natural Fighting
12        : Improved Shield Mastery
15        : Improved Critical: Slashing
18        : Exotic Weapon: Bastard Sword
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Quicken Spell
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
27 Epic   : Shield Deflection
28 Destiny: Elusive Target
29 Destiny: Dire Charge
30 Epic   : Blinding Speed
30 Legend : Scion of: Celestia
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Re: Questions about bear
Reply #6 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 11:23am
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DnD wrote on Feb 16th, 2020 at 12:46pm:
It is an alt without too much investment that i can swap from Sentinel to Fury/LD if I want to solo R1.

So I suppose tanking raids on hard without too much issues. Not sure about the potential of bears as tanks, nobody was using them for anything, so I don't know about elite/R1.

This is what i am thinking:

Bear
Druid 20
True Neutral Human


Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength        16       +4       4: CON
Dexterity        9       +4       8: CON
Constitution    18       +4      12: CON
Intelligence    12       +4      16: CON
Wisdom           9       +4      20: CON
Charisma        12       +4      24: CON
                                 28: CON

Feats

1        : Shield Mastery
1 Human  : Empower Healing Spell
3        : Natural Fighting
6        : Natural Fighting
9        : Natural Fighting
12        : Improved Shield Mastery
15        : Improved Critical: Slashing
18        : Exotic Weapon: Bastard Sword
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Quicken Spell
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
27 Epic   : Shield Deflection
28 Destiny: Elusive Target
29 Destiny: Dire Charge
30 Epic   : Blinding Speed
30 Legend : Scion of: Celestia


I'm pretty sure you don't get credit for shield feats (SM / ISM) while you're in animal form.
  
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Re: Questions about bear
Reply #7 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 5:39pm
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crsm3423 wrote on Feb 18th, 2020 at 11:23am:
I'm pretty sure you don't get credit for shield feats (SM / ISM) while you're in animal form.


I don't know, this is what wiki says:

- Stat bonuses, skill bonuses, stunning, etc. apply from both hands.
- AC and other bonuses from any shield you may be using apply (although you can't shield bash).

Also, I need the feats to get the enhancements on Sentinel
  
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Re: Questions about bear
Reply #8 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 5:38pm
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Bastard sword does not get stat bonuses as a bear just an FYI. Or atleast it didn't seem to be doing such.

Its typed for 2handed weapons specifically it seems. Kind of makes sense as 3x for using a greatsword or whatever is more logical than b-sword magically getting 3x while in bear form.

That being said don't play in Fury. None of furry works with bear save adrenaline. I asked if this would be changed and Steelstar pretty much made it clear it's not happening.

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To make matters worse for you every enhancement that boosts strikethrough requires you to have the basic THF feat. So you've got an automatic feat tax of 4 just to get your strikethrough bonuses if you're say half-orc or barbarian splashed.
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Re: Questions about bear
Reply #9 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 7:20pm
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Edrein wrote on Feb 19th, 2020 at 5:38pm:
Bastard sword does not get stat bonuses as a bear just an FYI. Or atleast it didn't seem to be doing such.

Its typed for 2handed weapons specifically it seems. Kind of makes sense as 3x for using a greatsword or whatever is more logical than b-sword magically getting 3x while in bear form.

That being said don't play in Fury. None of furry works with bear save adrenaline. I asked if this would be changed and Steelstar pretty much made it clear it's not happening.

https://puu.sh/Fc2br/0454ea21fd.png
https://puu.sh/Fc2bx/b714b8f956.png
https://puu.sh/Fc2ci/41387952c7.png
https://puu.sh/Fc2ct/bbc961913b.png
https://puu.sh/Fc2cS/883b0fa811.png

To make matters worse for you every enhancement that boosts strikethrough requires you to have the basic THF feat. So you've got an automatic feat tax of 4 just to get your strikethrough bonuses if you're say half-orc or barbarian splashed.


TBH this bear thing is all messed up. I think it should be easier to build a char without having to resort to so much research  Cheesy
  
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Re: Questions about bear
Reply #10 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 8:35pm
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I read this thread as

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