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How does Volley compare to inquisitive at cap?
Jul 26th, 2020 at 3:54pm
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Referring to the Great Crossbow : Volley, Arbalest of the Damned.

I was going to use this for artificer/rogue past lives at cap. At the very least, its still got the slow and vulnerability on hit, and blunted ammo.

But DPS wise, how does it compare to an inquistive build? Not sure what the best named light/heavy crossbow currently is. The best light/heavy crossbow I have at the moment is Legendary Screamshatter.

What's the best repeater/great crossbow build now even? I seem to recall the most popular was some kind of fighter/rogue/artificer split for endless fusilade?

Not sure how accurate this is, but it sounds like Great crossbows are significantly behind an inquisitive build now? https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/514924-A-Great-Crossbow-build-for-thos...
  
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Re: How does Volley compare to inquisitive at cap?
Reply #1 - Jul 26th, 2020 at 11:43pm
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For Inquis you want the Hallowed Splinters xbow from Project Nemesis but good luck on getting it! Couple it with the Epic Purifying Quiver from Ravenloft and you should be set.
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 7:56am
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So how does Volley compare to Inquisitive at cap?
  
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Re: How does Volley compare to inquisitive at cap?
Reply #3 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 9:54am
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I would think Inquis would win but hard to say since it would depend heavily on build etc.
  
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Re: How does Volley compare to inquisitive at cap?
Reply #4 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 3:05pm
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Volley and Hallowed Splinters aren't much different.  Volley has slightly better base damage, better crit profile.   But if someone else in group is stacking Vuln, that's about it.   I doubt that covers up the advantages of the RoF on the Splinters from dual wield the higher RP in the tree.  Plus the law dice.  and NHB.   But asking about "Inquis" doesn't say anything about class splits and asking about Volley is really build unspecific.  That's a weapon not a class or tree.  Obviously it would be some sort of Rogue build, but the devil is in the details.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 9:18pm
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Doesnt volley imply an endless fusilade build? I thought that was the "standard" when running great crossbows. Unless theres a better build that works with volley now?
  
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Re: How does Volley compare to inquisitive at cap?
Reply #6 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 10:22pm
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ManyCookies wrote on Jul 27th, 2020 at 9:18pm:
Doesnt volley imply an endless fusilade build? I thought that was the "standard" when running great crossbows. Unless theres a better build that works with volley now?


Fusialde/NHB is mandatory for any xbow builds I'll play.  Maybe someone else has another build that they have run the numbers on.   I haven't.  But the ROF of Fuslade and NHB is too good and the downtime is too short, from what I can tell. 

I think the confusion is that you linked a detailed rogue 20 GXB build as the basis for your "is GXB behind inquis", but elsewhere you mention thinking of an arti/rogue build (without any level splits) and keep talking about a "Volley build".   Which isn't really a thing.   So, do you have a build you are thinking of?   It would be easier to give feedback on an actual build.  Do you want to run the strimtom build you linked in the OP?
  
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Re: How does Volley compare to inquisitive at cap?
Reply #7 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 11:31pm
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The trick to Gxbow builds is 18 rogue levels for +2 crit multi. When Inquisitive came out, it was significantly ahead of the preexisting 18rog/2arti, but not crazy ahead. Post inquisitive nerfs, 18/2 mech is obviously the best xbow build again.
  

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Re: How does Volley compare to inquisitive at cap?
Reply #8 - Jul 28th, 2020 at 10:48am
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Asheras wrote on Jul 27th, 2020 at 10:22pm:
Fusialde/NHB is mandatory for any xbow builds I'll play.  Maybe someone else has another build that they have run the numbers on.   I haven't.  But the ROF of Fuslade and NHB is too good and the downtime is too short, from what I can tell. 

I think the confusion is that you linked a detailed rogue 20 GXB build as the basis for your "is GXB behind inquis", but elsewhere you mention thinking of an arti/rogue build (without any level splits) and keep talking about a "Volley build".   Which isn't really a thing.   So, do you have a build you are thinking of?   It would be easier to give feedback on an actual build.  Do you want to run the strimtom build you linked in the OP?


Yes, I didnt realise Strimtom was talking about a pure rogue build.

When I said volley, I meant an endless fusilade build. Think the original was rogue 10/artificer 4/fighter 6? I was thinking of doing something like that for rogue/artificer lives. Maybe something like artificer 8/rogue 6/fighter 6 for artificer past lives.

From what ive heard, it sounds like great crossbows are bad unless you are using fusilade. Is that true? I'm honestly not a fan of the "spam action boost" playstyle. Its fine if you are using it for large packs or bosses but if you have to spam action boosts every encounter and run in LD, i don't like that playstyle personally.

And running in LD also means losing sneak attack on many enemies such as undead, since they are immune to sneak attack. Running in SD would solve that problem, but means you get to spam fusilade less. Has anyone tried running a crossbow build in SD instead?
  
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Re: How does Volley compare to inquisitive at cap?
Reply #9 - Jul 28th, 2020 at 10:50am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 27th, 2020 at 11:31pm:
The trick to Gxbow builds is 18 rogue levels for +2 crit multi. When Inquisitive came out, it was significantly ahead of the preexisting 18rog/2arti, but not crazy ahead. Post inquisitive nerfs, 18/2 mech is obviously the best xbow build again.


Doesnt 18/2 lose the ability to fusilade spam and is harder to level due to missing fighter bonus feats? Or is that not considered a factor?
  
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Re: How does Volley compare to inquisitive at cap?
Reply #10 - Jul 29th, 2020 at 3:08am
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ManyCookies wrote on Jul 28th, 2020 at 10:50am:
Doesnt 18/2 lose the ability to fusilade spam and is harder to level due to missing fighter bonus feats? Or is that not considered a factor?


Leveling 18/2 was a cakewalk.
  

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Reply #11 - Jul 29th, 2020 at 6:15am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 29th, 2020 at 3:08am:
Leveling 18/2 was a cakewalk.


From level 1? Because it takes a while for a rogue to get access to all the crossbow feats + precision without fighter levels.

The 18/2 build we are talking about is an inquisitive build isnt it?
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Re: How does Volley compare to inquisitive at cap?
Reply #12 - Jul 30th, 2020 at 3:51am
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I did 18/2 with gxbow 1-20. 1-5 was Korthos Keen gxbow, 6-13 was ToEE gxbow, 14-20 was Divine Artillery. It was a cakewalk. And I went out of my way to do the more challenging content. I did every quest/raid at level from 1-17, leetstreaking my way to 5k favor. This was before inquis was a thing, before we had all this OP Slaver/RL/Sharn heroic gear.

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Reply #13 - Aug 1st, 2020 at 11:47pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 30th, 2020 at 3:51am:
I did 18/2 with gxbow 1-20. 1-5 was Korthos Keen gxbow, 6-13 was ToEE gxbow, 14-20 was Divine Artillery. It was a cakewalk. And I went out of my way to do the more challenging content. I did every quest/raid at level from 1-17, leetstreaking my way to 5k favor. This was before inquis was a thing, before we had all this OP Slaver/RL/Sharn heroic gear.

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1 Point Blank Shot
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6 Precise Shot
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12 Imp Critical
15 Weapon Focus Ranged
18 Imp Precise Shot
21 Overwhelming Crit
24 Combat Archery
26 Epic Spellpower (positive)
27 Imp Sneak Attack
28 Double Shot
29 Elusive Target
30 Watchful Eye


Strange, then why do people say that great crossbow is only good with fusilade or that repeaters are better at low levels? I can only remember seeing one guy try using great crossbow without fusilade in heroics...think it was a guy who wanted to show off divine artillery. I have to admit, that i was not impressed by his DPS...

Anyway back to the original question : Volley with endless fusilade build at cap vs Inquisitive build. How do they compare?
  
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Re: How does Volley compare to inquisitive at cap?
Reply #14 - Aug 5th, 2020 at 1:41am
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Tried talking to several more people about this.

They all said that inquisitive just outdamages volley with a fusilade build, no contest, even without the raid loot crossbow.

From what they told me, the law dice is basically sneak attack on steroids, except that its d8 and works against all targets (with the t5 ability).

Dual crossbows fire two shots per attack like TWF, so thats basically 2x law dice AND sneak attack dice.

And with the 30% alacrity in t5 inquisitive, you fire much faster than great crossbows in t5 mechanic.

At cap, any random legendary crossbow is going to outdps volley + endless fusilade.

How true is this?
  
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Re: How does Volley compare to inquisitive at cap?
Reply #15 - Aug 5th, 2020 at 4:51am
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ManyCookies wrote on Jul 29th, 2020 at 6:15am:
From level 1? Because it takes a while for a rogue to get access to all the crossbow feats + precision without fighter levels.

Ya I don't get the point of these builds. Completely sucks for levelling and the damage is like half of proper melee.
  
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