12 monk - 25%
8 druid - winter wolf 18%

Whether or not they stack, I got no god damn clue. Try an iconic.

Yes seems to be right, thanks for that. A 1Ftr/6Mnk/8Drd reports +(15+18)% when in form. Not doing a frame by frame on it but by feel it does seems to stack!

Now to try and find an old char with a +20 Heart and suitable class levels to figure out if this playable.

Monk 12 is +20% Run Speed, not 25%.

Druid 8 Winter Wolf speed is indeed +18%.

+38% is still probably the best you can get.

Speaking of run speeds, what are the increased run speed options for kiting in KT?

Hmm actually now I think about it the reported speed on the character sheet did meet the expectations set by the wiki. Maybe I forgot about 10% for VIP.

Mattyo wrote on Aug 31^st, 2020 at 12:35pm:



Are you talking about Dragon or shadows?

For shadows, literally anything over hasted running is great. I think they travel at the equivalent of 25%. So haste should outpace them barely. But a bad turn and it can get hairy. I've done it on my pally several times who has +10% from SD tree. No problems.

Yes. Kiting shadows with a THF dps toon in heavy armor. Works great.

Head-Meat wrote on Aug 31^st, 2020 at 2:26pm:

I think that's only in public areas so no influence on what you said.

Mattyo wrote on Aug 31^st, 2020 at 12:35pm:

I used to tank the Shadows in Heroic with Fire Shield and a couple of Cold absorption items. Is that viable in KT?

I liked tanking because I could throw some damage at them to get real aggro instead of losing it to some shitbag who failed to turn off their lantern archon.

NOTpopejubal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2020 at 6:04pm:


The main issue with the shadows is not tanking/kiting the first wave but being able to aggro the second wave when the pit fiend reaches a certain health threshold.

People normally fight the pit fiend on the throne, when the pit fiend loses some health, more shadows spawn, and two of them spawn right next to the throne IIRC.

Whoever is kiting the shadows needs to be able to aggro the new shadows pretty quickly or they will fly up to the throne and people will start dying. So sitting in a corner tanking the shadows isnt really an option even if you can do it because the shadows that spawn next to the throne are going to go straight for the rest of the party.

Having now tested 18Mnk/2Rog and 12Mnk/8Dru, I'll definitely be going with the former. Admittedly they were undergeared mules but the Rogue splash felt a lot more playable and fun, even if it does lose a few % over the other. The difference didn't feel significant enough to be tied to Winter Wolf, for me anyway.

kum-gulp wrote on Aug 31^st, 2020 at 12:45pm:


Whatever monk build you're doing, it's not worth giving up a capstone for 2% run speed. Pure monk + sprint boost is plenty fast. You don't even need to be in LD if you have TF Reinvigoration to regen them. (The cooldown reduction in LD is nice though if you want to use them back to back though.)

ManyCookies wrote on Aug 31^st, 2020 at 8:15pm:


I've kited the shadows many times on my thrower. That is not how it works. There are 3 waves of 2 shadows each (for a total of 6) and they are timed. The shadows alone are not a threat, they will never touch you with pure monk speed unless you mess up. So the hard part is actually kiting Nythirios long enough (because you can't stay out of his spell range) for all of the shadows to spawn before the rest of the group enters the room.

ManyCookies wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 11:47pm:


I don't think that's a thing. Or at least that is not the best way of explaining what is observed. If that were true, there would be no point in kiting anything ever.

I mean obviously some mobs can just zoom up to you no matter what you're doing (like the LoB) and others teleport, but that's obviously not what you're talking about.

I think some mobs are just faster than PCs. The thing is the AI doesn't have to deal with a W button. PC speed is all or nothing, so if you have 150% speed and the mob has 130% running away from a melee character then you're going to be tapping W in a halting stutter step trying to keep the mob's hit box inside your reach. Meanwhile if you have 150% speed and the mob has 180% speed, they are going to catch up to you and then just match your speed, hitting you the whole time.

This checks out in game, I was recently running a rogue thrower with 150% run speed in Memory Lapse. Normally he can kite stuff no problem at that speed, but the Book Bats in there (or whatever they are called) just calmly matched my speed, bitch slapping me the whole time.