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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9186 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Why did True Seeing get the nerf-bats so hard? Sep 1^st, 2020 at 12:20am	Print Post
	So if I recall, True Seeing USED to just be "You see everything invisible and detect all secret doors automagically". Today, True Seeing is "find secret doors that have a DC of 30 or less" which is... some of the doors on Korthos, if you're playing on Hard? I wear a true seeing item on my main and can't remember the last time I actually hit a secret door DC, I don't believe it's ever happened on epic. And yet several Legendary items have the same old version of true seeing? Why did this effect deserve to be nerfed so hard?

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Druidica Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 21 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2019	Re: Why did True Seeing get the nerf-bats so hard? Reply #1 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 1:15am	Print Post
	True seeing: You confer on the subject the ability to see things as they actually are. This allows the target to find secret doors that have a DC of 30 or less, see the exact location of creatures hidden by Blur or Displacement effects, and see Invisible creatures or objects normally. Because: Doors have been rebalanced to better scale across the full range of the DDO content. The DCs needed to find a secret door with a Search check has been lowered in the earlier level ranges, but remain roughly the same in the higher level ranges. Associated spells and skills related to finding secret doors have been rebalanced in relation to the new difficulty curve. Items and spell descriptions have been updated to indicate how high of a DC they are able to detect. From: Update 19 Release Notes Welcome to the Release Notes for Dungeons & Dragons Online! These release notes were posted on Monday, August 19th, 2013²


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Justanotherlurker Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 384 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: Why did True Seeing get the nerf-bats so hard? Reply #2 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 5:45am	Print Post
	Druidica wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 1:15am: True seeing: You confer on the subject the ability to see things as they actually are. This allows the target to find secret doors that have a DC of 30 or less, see the exact location of creatures hidden by Blur or Displacement effects, and see Invisible creatures or objects normally. Because: Doors have been rebalanced to better scale across the full range of the DDO content. The DCs needed to find a secret door with a Search check has been lowered in the earlier level ranges, but remain roughly the same in the higher level ranges. Associated spells and skills related to finding secret doors have been rebalanced in relation to the new difficulty curve. Items and spell descriptions have been updated to indicate how high of a DC they are able to detect. From: Update 19 Release Notes Welcome to the Release Notes for Dungeons & Dragons Online! These release notes were posted on Monday, August 19th, 2013² Cute but I think OP was referring to a more recent change Quote: Fixed a problem with many secret doors that made them too easy to spot, to the point of your Spot skill not mattering at all. Their Search DCs are not affected. These doors Spot DCs will now scale with level and difficulty, as intended, and their Spot DC values will be 5 below their Search DCs. This bug only affected doors, not traps or control panels. Update 46, released on Thursday, April 23rd. Answer: They fixed a 7 year old bug


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Petik Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 68 Joined: Sep 23^rd, 2016	Re: Why did True Seeing get the nerf-bats so hard? Reply #3 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 5:49am	Print Post
	BTH in P&P TrueSeeing will do nothing to help you find secret doors unless they are hidden by magic.


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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Why did True Seeing get the nerf-bats so hard? Reply #4 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 8:38am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 12:20am: So if I recall, True Seeing USED to just be "You see everything invisible and detect all secret doors automagically". Today, True Seeing is "find secret doors that have a DC of 30 or less" which is... some of the doors on Korthos, if you're playing on Hard? I wear a true seeing item on my main and can't remember the last time I actually hit a secret door DC, I don't believe it's ever happened on epic. And yet several Legendary items have the same old version of true seeing? Why did this effect deserve to be nerfed so hard? I find the change annoying even though I understand why they did it. The "fuck you, now you can't even Spot them anymore" bug fix is what irks me. I don't mind swapping in my Search trinket and hitting the Search action, but I'm bad enough to need a reminder to do that. I'd love to know how much Spot is needed. Like, can I just slot a Spot augment at cap and that's enough? Do I need some more than that? What's that ringing sound that I can't locate? Why do kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch?


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9186 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Why did True Seeing get the nerf-bats so hard? Reply #5 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 12:29pm	Print Post
	Justanotherlurker wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 5:45am: Answer: They fixed a 7 year old bug And yet ladders remain broken... NOTpopejubal wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 8:38am: I find the change annoying even though I understand why they did it. The "fuck you, now you can't even Spot them anymore" bug fix is what irks me. I don't mind swapping in my Search trinket and hitting the Search action, but I'm bad enough to need a reminder to do that. I'd love to know how much Spot is needed. Like, can I just slot a Spot augment at cap and that's enough? Do I need some more than that? What's that ringing sound that I can't locate? Why do kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch? Yeah its fuckin annoying as hell. I liked back in the day simply being able to slot true seeing, and then if there was a secret door I saw it. Yay! Made running new content exciting and interesting, and brough back the explorative aspect of it. They seem to be designing entirely around "memorization" as the key mechanic - EG "don't bother putting points into Spot, just know where all the doors are and search for them!" So either run fresh content on low difficulty or never find the secret door because you don't happen to be min/maxed around a seldom-used skill. Shit like this is why I feel 0 guilt about exploiting.

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Hardcore_Girl Dragon Raider Offline Hardcore or Go home! Posts: 268 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2013	Re: Why did True Seeing get the nerf-bats so hard? Reply #6 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 2:16pm	Print Post
	Quote: Shit like this is why I feel 0 guilt about exploiting. Yap. They always have time to 'fix' things which helps players to enjoy the game. I am sure they are having sleepless nights regarding the boxes, not because they are losing money, but players are finding it fun to get more past lives without grinding or trying a build at cap (and can revert back quickly if it doesn't work out) and this fun has to be 'fixed'.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9186 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Why did True Seeing get the nerf-bats so hard? Reply #7 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 2:30pm	Print Post
	I really have never seen a game where the development team was as openly hostile towards their player base. And that counts games where the player base is hostile towards the devs.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Why did True Seeing get the nerf-bats so hard? Reply #8 - Sep 4^th, 2020 at 12:35am	Print Post
	Secret doors that are necessary for completion are approximately DC 0, so True Seeing will get those (Epic Maze of Madness, Thread of the Weave, etc)

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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Why did True Seeing get the nerf-bats so hard? Reply #9 - Sep 4^th, 2020 at 9:24am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 4^th, 2020 at 12:35am: Secret doors that are necessary for completion are approximately DC 0, so True Seeing will get those (Epic Maze of Madness, Thread of the Weave, etc) The quest that made me want to craft a Search trinket was Amber Temple. The secret door that connects the Lich to the Library needs it and the secret door that connects the library to the one treasure room needs it. Those two secret doors aren't necessary to completion, but they do make the quest worlds easier/faster than having to go the long way around.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9186 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Why did True Seeing get the nerf-bats so hard? Reply #10 - Sep 4^th, 2020 at 12:01pm	Print Post
	I don't know what the secret door at the beginning of Slavers has, but it is 100% necessary to advance the quest and I have failed to hit the DC... because I fucking thought my true-seeing item would detect it.

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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Why did True Seeing get the nerf-bats so hard? Reply #11 - Sep 5^th, 2020 at 11:15pm	Print Post
	I just went into Legendary Slavers Part 1 on R10. My True Seeing item lit up the door for me as soon as I walked near it. I did not have my search item equipped.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9186 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Why did True Seeing get the nerf-bats so hard? Reply #12 - Sep 6^th, 2020 at 2:19pm	Print Post
	Maybe the game just fucking hates me?

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Why did True Seeing get the nerf-bats so hard? Reply #13 - Sep 7^th, 2020 at 1:45am	Print Post
	Maybe you thought you had True Seeing on?

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