Basic INFO


GENERAL:
My main has all PLs and all +8 tomes. I had about 25-35 Reaper Points for this comparison. I tend to split them between defense and offense. ALL EDs. All Twists.

GEAR:
I had Sharn Sets + slots were top 1-3 in their slot. No pure trash piece of gear.
I had upgraded weapon with Full Filligrees (including 8th weapon slot)


MISSING:
-MP from bonuses (Mythic/Reaper). I had SOME. But, probably like 1/4 of what was possible.
-More reaper points
-More rares on Fili
-Double/Raid Fili
-MP Tomes



META #1
PDK CHA-BASED 20 Pally Running in Fatesinger with upgraded Black Razor. (~98 CHA)

   PROS: Best defenses. Best self heals. No fail Dire Charge in all content. AOE Instakill was nice. Often get 2-3 mobs.
   CONS: DPS was lowest of the 3. ~20k burst boss dps* with my setup. Good. Not great.
   
   NOTES: I'm sure I could have learned to play it better and get better damage with better rotations.


META #2
PDK STR-BASED 11/6/3 Barb, Cleric, Druid Running in Fury with Tremor (108ish STR)

   PROS: Better DPS than Pally. ~25k boss burst dps* with my setup. Adrenaline often 1-shots. Tactics reliable in most content. Basically get TWO melds (Flight+Uncanny). Very helpful. More HP than Pally.

   CONS: Rage + spells + short-term buffs = kill me now. I really didn't like that. Not worth it imo.
   
   NOTES: I prefer Pally to Barbearian.



META #3
HALFLING DEX-BASED 11/6/3 Rogue, Ranger, Bard Running in Shiradi with Wide Open Sky (96ish Dex)

   PROS: Best DPS of the three. ~29k boss burst dps with my setup. Can trap!

   CONS: Lowest HP/Defenses. I don't love IPS play.

   NOTES: I'll probably stick with this through the nerf. The fact is, of the three, I have the MOST growth to do on gear here. I haven't upgraded Wide Open Sky at all. I don't even have an augment in it yet. I was running deconstructor and endless night aug in the others builds. Even with a ~20% nerf, I think it'll still be very solid. There's a lot of flexibility in the ranged builds that I like. BUT, this is new to me. I've only run a handful of reapers and done my R5 Bruntsmash dps test a few times. So, there's a lot to learn for me. Compared to Bear and Pally, though, there's even more uptime on burst DPS. So, I can use the bursts more often than just bosses. That's nice.

I'll report back after some more play including raids and higher reapers.

noamineo wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 2:56pm:



If I didn't like Thrower, that was my next stop. I'd need to farm more gear though. I don't have much for that one atm. I'll probably start grabbing pieces for it just in case.

PDK CHA-BASED PALLY?

BEAR IN FURY?

How are any of these meta?

Ok, at least Thrower is meta... for now. Fyi, Fury is the better ED but only if you have the skills to pull it off.

I'm starting to suspect that you're not very bright at all.

Maybe you are deserving of your handle.

Alex DeLarge wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 3:25pm:


The length isn't a problem, I just fucking hate the quest. If it took 30 seconds, I'd still hate it.

Alex DeLarge wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 3:22pm:



I'll test fury on the thrower. I was interested in that. I did run a Monksher Furyshotter back in the day. I just started playing with it yesterday, so I'm barely getting started. It just stood out to me from the beginning.

Also, what the hidden fury "skills"?

Head-Meat wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 5:00pm:


Alex DeLarge gets personally offended every time someone plays a build he doesn't consider 100% optimal.

Alex DeLarge wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 3:22pm:


You got me curious.

What's the equivalent str?

I said I had ~98 CHA. That's a 22 mod to dmg.

CHA Mod: 44+22=66 dmg mod


If I was STR-based, let's say I could get str to 100ish
My CHA would likely be about 18 lower or so.

Str Mod: 45+17.5=62.5 dmg mod


Maybe I'm missing something significant. (Very possible). But, I don't think the STAT is the main issue. If anything, it's weapon. Tremor > Black Razor. In THAT sense, I imagine the dmg is quite a bit more. How much? 10%? 15%? Not sure. You could go Horc for more STR, but you lose another CHA. Probably a net win. Point is, I think the stat isn't the main issue. It's more a weapon/race/destiny issue probably. No? Yes? Probably.

Head-Meat wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 5:00pm:


Uh. They're str based to use Tremor, not str based using a greatsword. The whole silvanus crit range boost is kinda the entire point. Like, I get it, you want no skill throwing, but both the melees you ran were garbo.

Fury bear... with  108 strength. Can we go back a bit - how do you only have 108 strength? On a bear...

Fury bear, cha pally.. no wonder you found thrower better. Especially factoring in that thrower can only do that every 20 seconds and you have another wasted slot in a group outside of PN.

noamineo wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 5:04pm:


I'm against intentional self-gimping hence my reply, flava boi.

[some shit] wrote on Sep 28^th, 2020 at 10:56pm:


At least 1 person here who isn't mush-brained. Thank you!

NOTpopejubal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2020 at 8:21am:



I planned on trying that.

R5 Brustsmash Tests (multiple trials each)


Shiradi:  ~27k dps
Fury: ~60k dps lol

I DID notice lower base numbers outside of Relentless due to lower RP, though.


I'll try LD and SD later.

I tried both LD and SD on the thrower vs R5 Bruntsmash. I'd say they were close to each other, and they both were worse than Shiradi or Fury for that test. (>15 Sec).

So, it looks like Shiradi is the best all-around, and Fury is best for true burst.