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Re: U49 Preview 2: 4/06-4/08
Reply #25 - Apr 6th, 2021 at 5:19pm
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Shunned wrote on Apr 6th, 2021 at 4:33pm:
All because suddenly, SUDDENLY, the game computer's just cant handle it all.  fucking idiots


Yet here is a new item effects for this update:

Spell Turmoil This item pops and buzzes with suppressed energy. When casting any damaging Fire, Cold, Acid, or Electric spells, there is a chance that you will gain a +20 Alchemical bonus to Spell Power to one of those energy types for 30 seconds.
  
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Reply #26 - Apr 6th, 2021 at 5:43pm
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SpaceGoat wrote on Apr 6th, 2021 at 2:19pm:
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Before this change: Simulations of a raid group proccing on-hit effects use approx 99.965% processing per-instance and produce an effects queue, which causes combat processing lag for all players on the same server while the queue is processed.
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That's the most shitty architecture since MS-DOS; one queue per server. Angry
And the proposed solution will nearly do nothing in the long time.

These idiots should simply multiply the queues (and queue dispatcher) from a singleton server instance to one queue/dispatcher instance per dungeon/group => No more server lag.

  
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Re: U49 Preview 2: 4/06-4/08
Reply #27 - Apr 6th, 2021 at 6:11pm
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoscaling

Are they running on a fixed number of machines?
  
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Re: U49 Preview 2: 4/06-4/08
Reply #28 - Apr 6th, 2021 at 7:05pm
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Apr 6th, 2021 at 5:03pm:
it seems you're missing some doublestrike sources from somewhere.


That may be.  I've got doublestrike/ins doublestrike slotted, plus all the tempest enhancements that provide it, plus Aasimar scourge & doublestrike past life feats active.  Honestly, I may have lowballed that number, but I TR'd yesterday so I can't actually verify that hot mess.  I do go over 100% doublestrike when I use Reaper Strike. 

Now all that said, under the new system I'll still be losing around 30% of my debuff procs from my offhand lgs weapons.  Oh, and Blitz is getting another kick to the nutsack for the same reason.
  
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Re: U49 Preview 2: 4/06-4/08
Reply #29 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 5:48am
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Past: We are replacing attack speed with doublestrike to reduce lag
Present: We are replacing doublestrike with multi-hit to reduce lag
Future: We are replacing every attack with a single Whose Dad Is Stronger skill check to reduce lag
  
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Reply #30 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 6:22am
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Good thing I LRd to THF earlier. Now my TWF collection can continue gathering dust.
  

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Re: U49 Preview 2: 4/06-4/08
Reply #31 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 6:57am
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I think this change will be good for the game because goddamn that lag. But it's still a a very dumb change to have to make.

I'm sure this will reduce some lag sometimes, but there's still a lot of low hanging fruit to be harvested in lag reduction that they'll never bother with.

It's also pretty funny that melee crowd control and other non-damaging procs are now best done with THF.

U50 will bring the "all spells cast only hit once, but for more damage" update... Tongue
  
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Reply #32 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 7:38am
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somenewnoob wrote on Apr 6th, 2021 at 4:42pm:
Well I'm sure they've got it all figured out and can confidently declare lag solved.


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I'm sure, Lamania was lagging last night something fierce. I didn't even bother complaining. I shouldn't have been on there but I had to see it for myself.
  
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Reply #33 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 8:26am
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Dragonborn wrote on Apr 6th, 2021 at 2:24pm:
At the risk of sounding like the moron I am, can I ask a question to those in the know:  15 years, better servers, better customer computers, much much smaller online population, better online speeds all using the same engine as before... so why more lag, and is all the technobabble SSG putting out just dazzling bullshit?

And I know this will make me sound like a moron.. again, but when I run my 10 and 15 year old games on my current computers they run friggen amazing, so what am I missing?



I have a friend who is also a system designer and he plays DDO and asked him the same question. Since I'm not in the coding field he simply explained to me this:

When you keep building code on top of another code (even worse if the previous code is made by someone else), on top of another code (and even this was made by someone else) and so on, you increase the entropy of a system. Keep in mind that DDO is a 15 year old game and bam, there goes your performance.

Those were his words (more or less). He still raised some doubts on how some things were handled in DDO and is not a fan of the devs, especially Lynn and Steel since he likes to brwose the mobo for their comments. He's a good guy, don't know why he never made an account here on though (or did he?)
  
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Re: U49 Preview 2: 4/06-4/08
Reply #34 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 8:40am
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Smrti wrote on Apr 7th, 2021 at 6:22am:
Good thing I LRd to THF earlier. Now my TWF collection can continue gathering dust.


Why?   TWFing just got buffed.
  
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Reply #35 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 8:55am
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Bigjunk wrote on Apr 7th, 2021 at 8:40am:
Why?   TWFing just got buffed.


When?
  
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Re: U49 Preview 2: 4/06-4/08
Reply #36 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 9:17am
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NOTpopejubal wrote on Apr 7th, 2021 at 8:55am:
When?


On a Tempest I'm getting same/ish Kobold (16-22 seconds - yeah it's not close to a record but it's no shenanigans running the exact setup I run on live) times as before and I'm down 500-700 a swing with the sneak attack bug no doubling on double-strikes.  When that bug's fixed the damage will be higher than before.   

Yeah, it's about as hard as it was at level 20 to get blitz stack (as in, not that hard).

Also non-tempest are getting a damage buff with them actually being able to get meaning full off-hand attacks.

This isn't DOOM.

Yeah, tweaks are needed.   The Tempest capstone needs something, PTWF needs something, Scourge PLs and other stuff.
  
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Re: U49 Preview 2: 4/06-4/08
Reply #37 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 9:20am
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NOTpopejubal wrote on Apr 7th, 2021 at 8:55am:
When?

TWF is now at 50% offhand dstrike for the most part on most builds. Getting past 100 doublestrike also now has a return of 50% of its value in the form of additional offhand doublestrike.

Most builds were hovering around 20-30 offhand double before this change
  

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Reply #38 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 10:01am
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So now after every phase of the shroud, I'm just going to scream "STOP FUCKING DOUBLE STRIKING!!"

  

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Reply #39 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 11:51am
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https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/523402-Changes-Focused-on-Boosting-Gam...

After a deluge of ungrateful posts from players and no sign of Severlin, Coco, Steel, and the ever-sunny Lynn have also retreated from interacting with the masses and SSG has sent in the whipping dog to bear the brunt of the abuse today.

Twould appear there ain't no stopping this train!
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Reply #40 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 1:13pm
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I feel like the devs are all googling "what is multi threading" right now.
  

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Reply #41 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 1:21pm
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somenewnoob wrote on Apr 7th, 2021 at 1:13pm:
I feel like the devs are all googling "what is multi threading" right now.

I didn't think 8086 or 8088 CPUs could multithread!!  Shocked Shocked
  

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Technomage wrote on Apr 7th, 2021 at 1:21pm:
I didn't think 8086 or 8088 CPUs could multithread!!  Shocked Shocked



My Atari 2600 never lagged. Just sayin!
  

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Reply #43 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 1:31pm
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Technomage wrote on Apr 7th, 2021 at 1:21pm:
I didn't think 8086 or 8088 CPUs could multithread!!



I stumbled on YouTube videos building a 6502 powered system to write Hello World from scratch on breadboards.
( up to an including all the externaly circuitry needed like the clock and more... )

Maybe DDO would run better on a 6502...
  

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Flav wrote on Apr 7th, 2021 at 1:31pm:
I stumbled on YouTube videos building a 6502 powered system to write Hello World from scratch on breadboards.
( up to an including all the externaly circuitry needed like the clock and more... )

Maybe DDO would run better on a 6502...

Bring back the Commodore 64!
  

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Reply #45 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 1:39pm
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Phantasie II on the Commodore was the game I credit with getting me into RPG's!

  

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Flav wrote on Apr 7th, 2021 at 1:31pm:
I stumbled on YouTube videos building a 6502 powered system to write Hello World from scratch on breadboards.
( up to an including all the externaly circuitry needed like the clock and more... )

Maybe DDO would run better on a 6502...

OMG awesome!  Do you have the link?
  
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Reply #47 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 2:42pm
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I'm a little surprised they didn't make Manyshot into a damage multiplier too.
  
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Reply #48 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 3:00pm
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OMG awesome!  Do you have the link?


Not sure if this is exactly what Flav was talking about but this guy has an awesome series of videos like that:

https://www.youtube.com/user/eaterbc

My favorite is the one on keyboards. I sorta wanna built a thing like that but I'm electronically retarded Tongue
  

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Re: U49 Preview 2: 4/06-4/08
Reply #49 - Apr 8th, 2021 at 2:35am
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Off hand double strike scaling with main hand double strike is not capped at 100.
So if you have 120 doublestrike you still get one "extra hit" but your offhand double strike is up to 60 now, not 50% as some ppl are saying here, the devs confirm this, so for some plp this is actually a buff for offhand attacks.
  
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