Like the other poster, I am a returning player (though been back a few months now) with an existing 'tanky' build. I was after some advice and I didn't want to derail the other thread.

What I have currently is a Dwarf Fighter 12 / Pallie 5 / Arti 3, around 4.8k HP, AC 504, PRR around 400, MRR maybe 270, err 22 dodge in full plate. All self buffed outside of Reaper. Thats with 7 piece Winter, no LGS. CON based for the HP, 'I don't have throw your weight around' for CON to damage.

For my guild I tank things like Low Reaper Baba, VOD Hard, THTH normal etc. but we will want to raise the bar gradually and I would like to be ready.

Gunga said two interesting things in the other thread about a Tank being a wasted spot in Reaper 10 xp groups and having low threat if you are not attacking and generating threat that way.

I do feel like a wasted spot in reaper, and definately sometimes lose aggro in raids which I think is at least partly due to my zero dps.

My goals. Get more HP if possible (certainly not get lower) and increase dps. I don't mean turn into a DPS killing machine, but doing some would be good. And if I can't do that on a build with 7 extra Fighter feats then its not going to happen anywhere.

Has anyone got a link to a high defences hate tank build that can do at least a small amount of dps to increase hate? I can either follow the build or at least try and pick some good info out of it.

Or some questions and I can try and figure something else out myself...

1) Is Dwarf OK as a race? Its got some nice racial enhancements but I always end up with not enough points to get everything I want. (For info its currently got 5 racial points, but I was considering moving the build to my racial/class/epic completionist if I can make it suck less/be less boring). I know Aasimar get a Sacred/stacking HP.

2) What is a good split for hate tank? More Paladin? Mainly FVS? I don't really want an FVS icon on my tank build

3) Is it wise for me to have gone CON as main stat for HP. Or shall I go back to STR (or CHA?) and CON as a secondary perhaps. At the moment I have STR to hit/dam with a strength sitting at around 40, as I was resigned to zero dps.

4) Or shall I try and "Throw my weight around" to use my 110 Con to damage, but then still need to sort my to hit. This always used to be a newb trap, but is that still the case when you can add maybe 50 Accuracy onto a secondary stat like STR or CHA. I am guessing yes for raids and high reaper.

5) How many feats would you spare for 'dps' related things? And what would those be? THF line? Shield line with or without some Vanguard?

I don't mind doing a TR and rebuild from scratch if thats what it needs to fix it 

Any advice welcome, and I can provide details on my current feats if anyone cares enough...!

I wish you the best on your tank build I feel tanks still needed in this game and also healers.

But the plain fact is there are none

That said I'd like to say Tilo - awesome tank on cannith.

and i'm still the best healer.

--carry on--


ps. had to derail this derf stuff

There is another build with similar stats floating around out there that uses artificer splash I think.  I don’t know how it plays but it also has impressive stats and might include some feywild gear to give 5 foot step a break if you are looking for a setup that uses it.  I saw it when shopping around for my pally tank on reg ddo forums.  I ended up going straight BF pally, the biggest difference is my Hp is about 400 lower, and my AC is not quite 400 from what I remember.  Also this bulld that is included here looks like it might do damage.  Mine does about 0 to 0.0 damage, which is par for the course on many builds and probably why you will be a solitary creature opting for a tank build.  Damage is sexy, but tanking is needed.  Post up here when you get both a sexay and tank build.

Thanks Mattyo. I wonder if the build you are thinking of is the Steel Maiden one. I grabbed a lot of good info from that though  they have Paladin 12 / Fighter 4 / Arti 4 and I keep swapping the class mix about to try new things. The issue with that build is it has very little DPS, as the build goal was max tank.

Warforge/Bladeforged got shafted regarding max dex bonus if you ask me. Why they can't/don't sort that out I don't know.

Unfortunately my tank character is on the past life treadmill for now. But number-crunching and preliminary testing got me to aim for this build when Improved Mage Armor became redundant with Sacred Defender. The previous build was kind of the opposite, 14 ftr/5 pally/1 wiz with most points in Sacred Defender.

I'm going to be building a max hate tank at some point, but I would look for all the hate in the game that you can stack on. I'm probably going some type of Bear/Barbarian. If you come up with a concept before I do, hit me up.

5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 28^th, 2021 at 1:50pm:


Why could you possibly need 147 intim?

@Gunga: Here's a quote form your boy (this was before Feywild raid.. not sure how it compares)

Quote:

Why not both?

Did you even read my post that you quoted? You can have 147 intim AND 7.25[d10+3]+125 16-20x3 times 55% doublestrike times 136 melee power with +1945% threat.

Just the sword, just autoattacking with standing buffs, is 186.625 *1.6 * 1.55 * 2.36 * 20.45 = 22337.10146 hate per swing. (What's that attack rate for sword and board? about 1.5 animations per second?)

Then there's a 40% chance to shield bash (1 sec cooldown) for 3.25[1D10]+77 18-20x3 (94.875 * 1.4 * 2.36 * 20.45 = 6410.40015 hate)

Then there's the 20% human damage boost for when you really need it.

These are simplistic base damage calculations, not counting procs or seeker, etc., and you always hit harder on live than the math says you should anyway, but I guess if you really think that "Every party worth playing with" has players doing over 42k DPS, then they should manage their fucking aggro.

Best tanks for general r10 are druid bear based tanks.
For specialized r10 raids you do not build a conventional all rounder tank but a tank that can mitigate most of the raid mechanics the best.


The above 3 foot tank is average if even that.


Check posts on mother forums for good bear tanks  since vault is full of trash builds since rloft came out.