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Reply #75 - Sep 22nd, 2022 at 10:52am
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Sep 21st, 2022 at 7:35pm:
Who the f*** thought it was a good idea to go from super quiet to super loud horns.


Here's a better question: why the fuck are you still bothering to listen to anything in the game?  I gave that up about the time they let Jerry's fat ass do voice overs.  I've adjusted all the volume levels down on the game and only listen to music when questing.

Fat Jerry, Wil Wheaton and some dumb ass barking orders over voice chat for a quest that everyone's run a thousand times or Black Angels and Mogwai.  It's not a hard choice to make at all.
  
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Reply #76 - Sep 22nd, 2022 at 12:06pm
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On most builds I create, I can solo most post-harbor content on R3-R4 (duo w/hireling in worst cases). It's just I'd rather run Elite because it's more fun and it's faster. And because it means I'm spending less time with elitist asswipes like you, who only care about cap and epitomize everything wrong with the game.

Aside from this, nothing you mentioned in ANY WAY addressed any substantial points I made, so I'm not going to bother saying anything more, beyond: get over yourself, nimrod.

God, DDO's community is garbage of the highest order. It continues to hemorrhage the actually good players. Most of the players who remain are insufferable braggarts who look down on anyone who plays differently from them. To people such as yourself, everyone who plays anything else aside from R10 cap is a "flower sniffing shitter."


No thanks, I'm already on my way out. Probably finishing this life and then taking yet another indefinite hiatus. FYI though, yes, I would gladly sacrifice all of my level 20+ gear, reaper points, and racial/epic lives if it meant restoring the game to 2010/2012/etc. Because DDO was objectively far better back then, whether you'd like to admit it or not.

It's sad. The Vault used to be a good place to find valid complaints about SSG's asshattery. These days, it feels like most of people who visit here want to just run apologetics for SSG/Turdbine. Despite the lack of boobs/donut jokes these days, somehow the forum's gotten dumber than it ever was.

Shit ain't worth it anymore.


Bye, Felicia.
  

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Reply #77 - Sep 22nd, 2022 at 9:45pm
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Bobbicus wrote on Sep 18th, 2022 at 2:30pm:
Ask Tracy Hickman. The layout, the cards, it's all part of Ravenloft tabletop.


Yea, but in tabletop the rewards were different, you were not encouraged to just zerg to the end and you did not have the option of resetting the quest to change the cards.
  
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Reply #78 - Sep 22nd, 2022 at 10:27pm
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Flav wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 1:54pm:
1. Ravenloft ( it's light years above the rest )
2. MOTU
3. Sharn
4. Saltmarsh
5. Feywild
6. Isle of Dread ( I haven't taken enough time to go through it the right way )
?. Shadowfail ( sorry, but the headache inducing purple haze is a killer for me )

This list right here
  
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Reply #79 - Sep 23rd, 2022 at 1:49pm
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Somebody agreed with me   Smiley
  

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Reply #80 - Sep 23rd, 2022 at 3:15pm
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While MotU is in the root of everything bad that happened after it, by breaking away with the precedent mechanics, the game was still fun to play. I have to admit that despite destryoing the old way of doing quests, mostly by introducing the concept of blitzing self heal do-everything autosuficient melee and by destroying DC casting until the introduction of reaper, the quests I liked, except the buggy raid with all the chaos and colored light all over the screen in some fights (for some reason it seems they think we like this kind of nonsense, seeing from the raids released since KT).

The problems started to accelerate a lot when they introduced epic past lives + iconics. Ravenloft temporarily remediated the situation, but we couldn't live of that forever...
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Reply #81 - Sep 24th, 2022 at 12:08pm
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You have a good point that MotU was the beginning of a lot of shit design decisions, but it is still by far the best expansion in terms of the amount of effort Turbine/SSG put into it. It truly extended/changed the game. It was an actual expansion. Unlike all the others that came after it which have really been little more than larger than usual adventure packs.
  
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Reply #82 - Sep 24th, 2022 at 8:38pm
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i2049 wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 12:08pm:
You have a good point that MotU was the beginning of a lot of shit design decisions, but it is still by far the best expansion in terms of the amount of effort Turbine/SSG put into it. It truly extended/changed the game. It was an actual expansion. Unlike all the others that came after it which have really been little more than larger than usual adventure packs.

If a pack like Vale was made nowadays it'd be an expansion.
  
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Reply #83 - Sep 25th, 2022 at 4:13am
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Tajuh wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 8:38pm:
If a pack like Vale was made nowadays it'd be an expansion.


Quests+wilderness area+raid=expansion
Quests+wilderness area-raid=mini expansion
Quests-wilderness area+/-raid=pack

does seem to be the new system.
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Reply #84 - Sep 25th, 2022 at 6:24am
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Im curious as to how Turbine was able to make money by selling adventure packs instead of expansions in those days. Something like Gianthold has a massive amount of content and is an adventure pack. It has more content than any expansion from Feywild onwards.

They made enough money just selling adventure packs at that point without needing to churn out low quality expansions like Feywild every 9 months or so. What changed?
  
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Reply #85 - Sep 25th, 2022 at 8:19am
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ManyCookies wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 6:24am:
Im curious as to how Turbine was able to make money by selling adventure packs instead of expansions in those days. Something like Gianthold has a massive amount of content and is an adventure pack. It has more content than any expansion from Feywild onwards.

They made enough money just selling adventure packs at that point without needing to churn out low quality expansions like Feywild every 9 months or so. What changed?



They over incentivized grinding heroic lives when they introduced racials. TR, favor reset, free points.
If they were smart (which is like asking water to be dry) they would have made it so you could do an epic life to get a racial PL. No favor reset, no free points.

Nobody needs to buy points for adventure packs anymore since you get 1000+ points from a trip from 1-30.

When they did the first mini expansion it was the death knell of the adventure pack, I said something along the lines of we'll probably get maybe one adv pack per year now and that seems about right. The rest, paid expansions.

Expansions, HC, ottos boxes are the profits now.
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Reply #86 - Sep 25th, 2022 at 10:54am
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somenewnoob wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 8:19am:
They over incentivized grinding heroic lives when they introduced racials. TR, favor reset, free points.
If they were smart (which is like asking water to be dry) they would have made it so you could do an epic life to get a racial PL. No favor reset, no free points.

Nobody needs to buy points for adventure packs anymore since you get 1000+ points from a trip from 1-30.

When they did the first mini expansion it was the death knell of the adventure pack, I said something along the lines of we'll probably get maybe one adv pack per year now and that seems about right. The rest, paid expansions.

Expansions, HC, ottos boxes are the profits now.


Im not sure if allowing you to get a racial live with an epic TR would have helped. If anything, it would have allowed people to farm racial lives far faster. Sure, you dont get a favor reset, but its much faster to go from 20-30 due to how epic leveling works and you can save up epic saga XP to do 2 epic lives easily. Then you would have people running out of stuff to grind for much earlier than now.

I guess in the past there was a lot less content so it was much harder to grind for favor points...and characters were a lot weaker then as well, so quests took longer. And stuff like Gianthold was before the TR system at any rate.

But another reason for people TRing and resetting favor more is that endgame isnt as important to most players now. You can skip endgame if you dont need saga XP to farm epic past lives, you have all the endgame gear you want and you have sufficient reaper points to fill out two trees. Instead of spending a couple of weeks at endgame running sagas, raids, etc, theres a huge incentive to just TR ASAP to farm lives faster. It feels unbalanced.
  
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Reply #87 - Sep 25th, 2022 at 11:17am
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ManyCookies wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 6:24am:
Im curious as to how Turbine was able to make money by selling adventure packs instead of expansions in those days. Something like Gianthold has a massive amount of content and is an adventure pack. It has more content than any expansion from Feywild onwards.

They made enough money just selling adventure packs at that point without needing to churn out low quality expansions like Feywild every 9 months or so. What changed?


Gianthold was originally made before the F2P era. Incentives are very different under a subscription-only model.

Epic Gianthold came after MotU. It was a really good time for the game and surprisingly Epic Gianthold was no additional charge if you already had the GH pack.

But it wasn't much work for them either. Only the new raid was made from scratch (FoT), the quests were updated to epic formulaically. All the epic loot was based on old loot.
  

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Reply #88 - Sep 25th, 2022 at 8:51pm
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ManyCookies wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 10:54am:
But another reason for people TRing and resetting favor more is that endgame isnt as important to most players now. You can skip endgame if you dont need saga XP to farm epic past lives, you have all the endgame gear you want and you have sufficient reaper points to fill out two trees. Instead of spending a couple of weeks at endgame running sagas, raids, etc, theres a huge incentive to just TR ASAP to farm lives faster. It feels unbalanced.


Its been this way for a while actually. There's also been a segment of the player base(as far bas as when heroic TR was the only TR) who believe "Endgame? What endgame?"

Why it seems worse now is because back in the day, end-game content produced TR gear(thus incentivizing the TR-aholics to stick around a bit longer) whereas now end-game gear is only useful at end-game. Arguably the "usefulness" itself is questionable, since its not like other games where you have to grind low-dif raids to get better gear to take on higher-diff raids.
  

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Reply #89 - Sep 26th, 2022 at 7:21am
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ManyCookies wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 6:24am:
curious as to how Turbine was able to make money by selling adventure packs instead of expansions in those days. Something like Gianthold has a massive amount of content and is an adventure pack.

5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 11:17am:
Gianthold was originally made before the F2P era. Incentives are very different under a subscription-only model.


Add to the list, Twillight Forge, Desert, Reaver's Refuge, Necropolis and Vale of Twillight ( along with a few other smaller stuff ).

The business model was totally different then, you had to have a subscription to access the game and the only unlock you had was the favor stuff. The Store didn't exists, TR was not there... and Level varied between 10 ( release to 16 ) ( Vale ) with each adventure pack release ( Level raised to 12 for Desert, 14 for Gianthold ).

Level 20 came with the Vast and Mysterious ( aka F2P ) and LOB/VOD... with Epic ( not as we know it now ) riding along IIRC.
  

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Reply #90 - Sep 26th, 2022 at 12:22pm
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On the one hand I'm really glad I wasn't playing when the cap was only 16. On the other hand, I really miss playing back when platinum meant something.
  

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Reply #91 - Sep 26th, 2022 at 12:31pm
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Flav wrote on Sep 26th, 2022 at 7:21am:
Level 20 came with the Vast and Mysterious ( aka F2P ) and LOB/VOD... with Epic ( not as we know it now ) riding along IIRC.


Module 9/Update 0 was Sharn Syndicate, the OG Shavarath content drop (so ToD and its six), and the original two Cerulean Hills quests. LoB was a couple of updates before Moonass.

The original Epic mode was dropped an update or two into F2P as an update X.1 or whatever. It was basically a side thought at the time.
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